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JoshMizruchi
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I wish I knew why he made some of his equipment changes. I can maybe speculate in some cases, but that’s about it.
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deejaymushone
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Freddie gear |
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| JoshMizruchi wrote: | | I wish I knew why he made some of his equipment changes. I can maybe speculate in some cases, but that’s about it. |
Most likely the same reason as the rest of us - searching for the holy grail / pot of gold at the end of the rainbow ? Bc it was the new thing? B/c we were having a good day the day we tried it, & then attributed it to the gear lol ?
I can only say, that listening to his different recordings where he is playing these different horns, I really can’t tell - he sounds like himself. I listened closely to Hank Mobley’s “Roll Call” the other day, & was def not like “oh yeah, that’s the Olds!”……..MAYBE on Empyrean Isles, when he is playing cornet, & not trumpet….but I don’t think I hear the difference in gear on the other stuff for the most part…..IMO, what we hear more is a difference in recording / production / mic’ing b/t Rudy @ Blue Note, Atlantic, Creed @ CTI, & then his post CTI stuff …….
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homebilly
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what we do hear is a big change in his vibrato along the way
i can’t exactly pinpoint the changing point in time
but early freddie has a vastly different vibrato that mid to late freddie
maybe a horn change inspired this vibrato change
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spitvalve
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I saw Freddie live back in the mid-1980s when he was playing Calicchio horns.
He sounded almost the same whether he was playing flugelhorn or trumpet. But the music that poured out of him was astounding!
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homebilly
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i saw him probably 20 times in the 80s. at Concerts by the Sea, Hop Sings
and a UCLA concert at the Wadsworth theater that was broadcast on KKGO
during the second hour set. i have that recording on cassette
and have many Walkman Pro recordings of him from Concerts by the Sea and the last time that i saw him at the New Morning in Paris in the early 90s.
i have that on DAT.
he had his Getzen Flugel
and probably a Calicchio
his vibrato was already different by then
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JoshMizruchi
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Freddie gear |
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| deejaymushone wrote: | | JoshMizruchi wrote: | | I wish I knew why he made some of his equipment changes. I can maybe speculate in some cases, but that’s about it. |
Most likely the same reason as the rest of us - searching for the holy grail / pot of gold at the end of the rainbow ? Bc it was the new thing? B/c we were having a good day the day we tried it, & then attributed it to the gear lol ?
I can only say, that listening to his different recordings where he is playing these different horns, I really can’t tell - he sounds like himself. I listened closely to Hank Mobley’s “Roll Call” the other day, & was def not like “oh yeah, that’s the Olds!”……..MAYBE on Empyrean Isles, when he is playing cornet, & not trumpet….but I don’t think I hear the difference in gear on the other stuff for the most part…..IMO, what we hear more is a difference in recording / production / mic’ing b/t Rudy @ Blue Note, Atlantic, Creed @ CTI, & then his post CTI stuff ……. |
I think on most of his 60s stuff, he just sounds like he’s using very middle of the road equipment, and just playing the trumpet fundamentally very well. In the 70s, he started to push the envelope more. One album I really like from the 80s is Outpost. Not sure what horn/mouthpiece he was using there, but it sure sounded great.
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He was a "no-show" for a performance at the Univ. of Maryland Eastern Shore I attended.
Two weeks later, he was dead. 
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I saw Freddie Hubbard perform an unforgettable concert at the University of Akron (Ohio) Zook Hall lecture auditorium in the mid-1970s. This was the "Red Clay" and "First Light" albums era. There was a crippling snow blizzard that day that shut down the city and Hubbard's drummer was stranded in Buffalo, so local jazz drummer Brian Rood played the gig. There were only a dozen or so people in the audience due to the severe weather, but Hubbard gave a wonderful, high energy performance for those of us crazy enough to show up that night!
The same blizzard situation happened when I saw Bill Watrous at the Jazz Showcase in Chicago in 1981. Only six people in the club, but Watrous played great and the empty venue made it easy to hear him play his trademark multi-phonics. He sat with me at the bar on his break and it was cool to converse with him. A regular guy with extraordinary talent!
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To the best of my knowledge Freddie’s main horn pre 1964 was a Bach Mercedes. It’s on the cover of his 1963 album The Artistry Of Freddie Hubbard, and it shows up in various session photos from those years as well as in the YouTube clips of him with Art Blakey from that time:
https://youtu.be/OAnPXShq-qU?si=Cvr-QnSnoWt0K4wY
However, seems by 1964 his main axe was a Conn 8B. That’s the horn I see him with in all the session photos from the mid and late 60’s as this YouTube clip from 1969:
https://youtu.be/OAnPXShq-qU?si=euHoRrdbC4IPcUKv
Throughout the 70’s he seems to be playing a Bach or an Olds of some sort. There’s also a photo of him from that era holding a Martin Committee. I know he also played Calicchio and Getzen trumpets and Flugel later in life (Flugel- wise he usually played Cuesnon in his prime).
What I would like to know is what cornet did he play on Herbie Hancock’s Empyrean Isles album.
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Thanks for this!
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| BrassPapa wrote: | | Thanks for this! |
Glad to help!
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