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lopesfelix Regular Member
Joined: 28 Oct 2021 Posts: 14 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:04 pm Post subject: Parduba Flugelhorn Mouthpiece in a Large Shank Flugel |
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Parduba is a small morse mouthpiece. Has someone tried using it in Large morse Flugel? How was that? Huge or insignificant impact? |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1960 Location: WI
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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I'm guessing that it may not even fit snugly in the receiver -- the mouthpiece 'collar' may hit the end of the receiver before the shank is tightly in place. (I don't have a Parduba, but I do have a small morse flugel piece that I tried in the large morse receiver of one of my Yamaha flugelhorns.) _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run" |
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CaptPat Regular Member
Joined: 26 Oct 2023 Posts: 62 Location: Eastern NC
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:19 am Post subject: |
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There's a guy on YouTube who puts a wrap or two of cellophane tape on his small shank mouthpieces to use them in a large bore horn, seems to work for him. YMMV _________________ Bach Stradivarius 180S37
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:28 am Post subject: |
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CaptPat wrote: | There's a guy on YouTube who puts a wrap or two of cellophane tape on his small shank mouthpieces to use them in a large bore horn, seems to work for him. YMMV |
That's a thought. I can't speak to the OP's question about "impact" though. _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run"
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jun 2015 Posts: 557
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Not on the mouthpiece referenced, but I have, as a stopgap (pun intended), used the cellophane tape on mouthpieces I otherwise liked to see what it would do. When I found the sweet spot for tone and intonation, I would take my micrometer and measure the difference. I would then order a mouthpiece with the larger shank tip diameter. I especially did this on the Curry 3BBC on my Globe Stamp 921 Sov. My Wick 4B is @5 thou larger tip than Curry standard. So I asked Mark to make me a 3BBC and a 3TC with the larger shank. All fitment, stuffiness, and other issues were resolved. Another was an old trumpet mouthpiece I inherited, a Blessing 13, which had a proprietary shank of a narrower taper than now-Bach-standard. I had it re-shanked for sentimental reasons.
Since the Parduba only comes in one shank size, there are several shops out there that can mill and re-sleeve mouthpieces. _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
Couesnon Flugelhorn and C trumpet |
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Posts: 2353 Location: Santa Cruz County, CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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I have played a Bach flugelhorn mouthpiece in a large morse flugel for decades. I tried mouthpieces with the correct taper, but always went back to the Bach.
Even when I played (for over 20 years) a different brand of mouthpiece on Bb, C, and D trumpets and cornet, and bought a flugelhorn mouthpiece of the same brand, with the same rim, and the correct shank... I went back to the Bach with the "wrong" shank.
Mark Curry now makes flugelhorn mouthpieces with a "universal" shank that fits large and small morse receivers, as well as straight French receivers. I'm currently playing Curry mouthpieces and wouldn't hesitate to buy one of his universal-shank flugel mouthpieces, except I'm still happy with the mouthpiece I have.
I've had some Parduba trumpet mouthpieces in the past and I suspect a Parduba flugel mouthpiece will snug up in a large morse receiver just fine. If it does, try it out and see how it works for you. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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Man Of Constant Sorrow Veteran Member
Joined: 25 Jun 2023 Posts: 487
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:21 am Post subject: |
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iiipopes wrote: | Not on the mouthpiece referenced, but I have, as a stopgap (pun intended), used the cellophane tape on mouthpieces I otherwise liked to see what it would do. |
Forget the cellophane tape.
I do similar, having several flugelhorns, cornets, European bugles, trumpets ... some, with very odd-sized receivers.
What I do, is use very thin copper ribbon (it is used by luthiers, to shield electronic components in electric guitars, from 60hz "hum" interference) ... OR ... metallic tape as used by HVAC installers for sealing seams in sections of ductwork.
In this manner (using METAL-based tape) there is no deadening of the primary and secondary harmonic vibrations/overtones that plastic-based cellophane tape produce.
Think about it .... _________________ Sub-Optimal Hillbilly Jazz |
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Man Of Constant Sorrow wrote: |
Forget the cellophane tape. |
Your point is well taken. But you must admit that an inch or two of cellophane tape costs essentially zero by comparison. In any event, now that I have mouthpieces of the proper shank for each of my horns, I'm done with the cellophane tape anyway, unless/until I purchase another horn. _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
Couesnon Flugelhorn and C trumpet |
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