Bach Model 37 valve oil

[MLGaudet]

My brother sent me his 1978 Bach Strad 37, he is not using it anymore. Refurbished the horn for my use and concert band. The horn sounds amazing and plays easily with a very nice centered tone. Compared to my 1973 Radial 2 though the valves seem not as responsive. I use Monster valve oil on the Selmer and it works real fine. For the Bach, I have been using the Monster. My question, is there a more appropriate valve oil for the Bach, say less viscous and what is recommended from other Bach Strad owners.
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1973 Bb Selmer Paris Radial 2
1978 Bb Bach Strad Model 37
1980 G DEG Dynasty II 2 valve bugle w/ 1st valve slide spring
Bach 1.5C
Schilke 14A4A
Eastrock 3C

[Rhondo]

I could be wrong, but I don’t think there is such a thing as best valve oil for a particular brand of trumpet.

[Quadstriker]

Fwiw the Monster boys went above and beyond for me getting me set up with the right valve oil for a Strad with finicky valves, so they always get my vote. They've got good stuff and customer service that won't be beat.

[Rhondo]

[yourbrass]

[CaptPat]

+1 for Monater in my Bach 37.
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Bach Stradivarius 180S37
Getzen Custom Series 3895
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I play trumpet because I like it, not because I'm good at it.

[zaferis]

Monster is fine.. I personally don't like the odor and it seems to produce a lot of ick in the condensation-lots of oily residue in my spit puddles.

I play mostly Bachs, of various ages, have had great success with Ultra-Pure. And Ultra-Pure has various viscosities to experiment with.
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[CaptPat]

[jondrowjf@gmail.com]

I agree with a previous poster about giving your trumpet a through bath. What brand, strength of valve oil did your brother use on the trumpet? After the bath use isopropyl alcohol to wipe down the valves and use a mouthpiece brush to clean the holes. Then rinse off the valves .
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Current cornets and mouthpieces
Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Holton 602 cornet 2007?
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4B short shank mouthpiece
Jupiter 9e short shank mouthpiece

[jengstrom]

I have zero exposure to Radials, but in my experience Bach valves tend to feel heavier and clunkier than some others. You get used to it.

That said, by all means make sure your horn is clean and the valves are as pristine as you can get them. Then use a good quality valve oil. I like Hetman, but there are other synthetics that are good too. Some people still prefer dyno oils as well.

John
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Bach 43*
Bach 72*
Bach Chicago C
Yamaha YTR-761 D/Eb
Kanstul 1525
Bach 196 picc

[LittleRusty]

I have no idea whether this applies to using Monster after brand X oil, but we used to see recommendations to thoroughly clean valves and casings when changing valve oils since some react with each other.

YMMV

[Rhondo]

[Crazy Finn]

There is no specific oil that's "best" for any particular brand of instrument.

Theoretically, I suppose the company that makes both an oil and the trumpet would have a formula that works well with their trumpet. But, Bach just sells the old Holton oil rebranded as Bach. They might have other "Bach" oil, but frankly, I'm skeptical.

Regardless, there are too many variables involved. There's the instrument, there's the oil, there's the player's personal body and saliva chemistry and there's possibly some other factors that I'm not even aware of.

First of all, clean the trumpet thoroughly before switching or trying a different oil. Often they don't interact well with others (like Blue Juice, which is crap, anyway), so do your best to eliminate that variable.

And then, just find some good, well regarded oils and try until you find one that you like and works well on that instrument.

Not all oils that work well in trumpet A will work perfectly in trumpet B, even when they are both clean and owned and played by the same player.

I regularly play an old Selmer Paris Radial and an old LA Benge 3X. The oils I think are quite good are Ultra Pure, Hetman, and Yamaha Synthetic. There might be a few other good ones, but those I can vouch for.

My Benge is perfectly fine with any of the 3 I mentioned. However, the Radial doesn't work as well with Ultra Pure as the Benge does. However, Yamaha works great in both, so that's what I use.

It's nice when there are various weights as options within a oil line. If you really like an oil, but your valves are too worn for the normal stuff, it's nice if there is a similar heavier option from the same maker. Hetman, Ultra Pure, and Yamaha all do this, but others do as well - which is nice.
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Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn