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trompit · New Member Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 4

If you would like to verify this check the Bach sites and the serial # listing for this. You may want to be a bit more careful lately sir. I am only of help to you. Kind regards.

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conn53victor · Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 12:49 pm Post subject:

I must be missing something. All the Bch serial number lists that I can find on the internet including the Selmer-bach site itself:
http://www.selmer.com/brass/stradtrp/historical.html
indicate that the 20XXX horn was a Mt.Vernon Bach. Where is the issue?

Disney8vatrumpets · New Member Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 10

No one is trying to defend anyone in particular just providing some much needed balance here. All sellers have the right at their discretion to pull their auctions if there is an error or if they did not put the correct minumum bid or later decide they would like to place a reserve on it. Common practice common sense but I guess not common intelligence. You where straining to understand or refusing to acknowledge what you know is true and what you have done repeatedly as well. Just wanted to clarify it.

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trompit · New Member Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 4

If it was a 20xxx that would make the sense but he says is 30xxx which is false and cannot be. Cannot be. Impossible to be authentic. Bad news I know but true.

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trompit · New Member Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 4

From Bach site confirmed:

30,000 1965
50,000
100,000

1953
Moved to factory in Mount Vernon, NY.

1961
Vincent Bach Corp. Purchased by Selmer.

1965 Production began in Elkhart

veldkamp · Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 1:04 pm Post subject:

There are no shopcards from Elkhart Bachs. I know the difference between a 1965 Elkhart and a 1964 Mt.Vernon because I have had both. They play totally different.

On the other hand, this Bach #30017 is the best trumpet I ever played so I couldn't care less how it's called.
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jophst · Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 1:18 pm Post subject:

And to veldkamp ... I do believe that your horn MAY be a Mt. Vernon. I'm pretty sure it is all original.

The biggest possibility is that it was manufactured within the first week in the Elkhart factory with left over bells and parts from the New York factory. It was probably assembled by Vincent himself as he showed the Selmer workers how to properly construct a horn. I would hold on to that one!

I don't think those dates from the Selmer website are etched in stone as much as they are estimates of the serial numbers and respective dates of the time. For example I don't think the serial # 30,000 should be taken as January 1st, 1965 ... from the look of the shop card above, it may have been more like the later part of 1964.

I used to own an Early Elkhart with serial 30264 I believe and it was indeed stamped Elkhart, Indiana.

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Bb Bachs
- 37 S180ML-24K 284xxx
- 37H LW body ML 81xxx
C - Bach 229/25R
Eb/D - Yamaha 9610
Picc - Yamaha 9830 w/Laskey PIC
Flugel - Jupiter 846RL w/68F
Cornet - Bach 181 w/68DB
Laskeys 68MD,68C

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jophst · Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 1:27 pm Post subject:

With all due respect, I have owned a wealth of Bach's and have seen only one earlier than veldkamp's but still above the 30,000 serial, and it was also clearly stamped Mt. Vernon as well. The serial was 30,011.

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Bb Bachs
- 37 S180ML-24K 284xxx
- 37H LW body ML 81xxx
C - Bach 229/25R
Eb/D - Yamaha 9610
Picc - Yamaha 9830 w/Laskey PIC
Flugel - Jupiter 846RL w/68F
Cornet - Bach 181 w/68DB
Laskeys 68MD,68C

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