Verticle or horizontal tubing?

VM Trumpet · Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 7:02 pm Post subject:

I have been looking at a lot of flugelhorns nowadays (am eventaually going to buy) and see that there are those two distinct differences (among many other small ones). So what difference does it make?

At first I thought that the cheaper student models flugels had the horizontal, but then I went to the Stomvi site and saw that their "Elite" model has the horizontal tubing as well. So now I am confused. Does it effect the sound in any way, or is it just a matter of preference?

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Tom LeCompte · Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 6:47 pm Post subject:

Everything affects the sound to some degree.

The biggest effect on sound is probably the fact that the horn is held differently with vertical tubing. It's held in a way that makes it more difficult to use pressure to play, and that changes the sound more than the extra bend does.

There are quite a few combinations of tubing. The old Benges had a horizontal 1st valve with saddle or trigger and a vertical 3d valve. So instead of pulling your 3rd valve on low D and C#, you'd do it with your first valve. In general, horizontal tubes seem to be more popular on student horns and on horns with trumpet-like bores, but this is more of a trend than a hard and fast rule.

I think the biggest difference is not the physical arrangement of the tubing, but the bore taper throughout the horn. There is a tremendous variation in this one parameter, and it makes a big difference in how the horn sounds and plays.

Cheers,

Tom

Jon Arnold · Heavyweight Member Joined: 07 Jan 2002 Posts: 2026

Most professional flugels have vertical tubing and the student models have horizontal. The Inderbinen flugel Roy Hargrove plays has horizontal tubing. It sounds great to me.

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Martin · Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:44 pm Post subject:

Hargrove´s Inderbinen actually has horizontal slides.
The reason most student flugels come with horizontal slides is economical - manufacturers simply use their trumpet valve assemblies to keep costs low.
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trumplyr · Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 6:45 am Post subject:

Tom LeCompte · Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 4:11 pm Post subject:

I agree with Martin that there is recycling of valve assemblies on the low-cost flugelhorns (I hesitate to use the word "student" - how many fourth graders start on flugelhorn?). I don't see why that impacts the slide orientation - even vertical slide flugels have horizontal valve ports, no?

Horizontal tubing does let them reuse the slides, of course. I have no idea if they actually do this.

Cheers,

Tom

plankowner110 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 3620

Upon close examination, you'll see that the design of the valve cluster on a pro flugel with vertical slides is quite different than a student flugel using a trumpet vlave cluster, especially the third valve ports.
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