Olds Super????????

Ebayscrounger · Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 12:08 pm Post subject:

This one is currently on Ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16214&item=3724351040&rd=1

The bell is right, but I don't think anything else is, the valve cluster looks very Conn Director, as do the top and bottom caps. I don't know about the braces, leadpipe and tuning slide. What do you think?

Oh, if anyone is interested, I have a silver Reynolds ERA (the twin of an Olds CHR) on Ebay.

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djm6701 · Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject:

Actually, I haven't seen an Olds Super bell like that before (not saying that it's not legit, just odd). The nickel 'tone ring' looks about twice the size of mine.
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bgwbold · Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 3:23 pm Post subject:

The serial number does not jive with LA. The body looks somewhat Olds-ish, but not entirely. The valve buttons and valve caps look like 60s Conn. The valve cluster does not look like any Olds I have ever seen. There is a patch on the tubing in the lower right photo.

Mike

Gilligan · Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 7:33 pm Post subject:

That's an Olds Super but it was made around 1975. This one was made by the company that bought Olds in the early 70's Norlin Music.

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djm6701 · Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 3:39 am Post subject:

Actually, Gilligan, Olds remained in Fullerton until the company closed in 1979. I found the bell. It appears in the 1932 Olds Catalogue (i.e. with the larger tone ring). The serial number on the body cannot match the bell so this can't be a 1975.
There is a picture here:

http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds32/olds_30s_8.htm

The Super Cornet in the '47 catalogue seems to have the same size ring but the Super Recording has the smaller one.
The valve block is not correct. I agree with it looking like a Conn Director block - look at

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64373&item=3724253486&rd=1

for comparison. I think this one is a chop shop job.
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Trptbenge · Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 5:05 am Post subject:

I think that a Super bell has been put on a Conn body. The valve cluster is wrong. The later Olds Supers did not have a tuning slide brace (unlike the early Supers). the braces look as if the have had some work done and they have been resoldered. I would steer away from this horn.

Mike
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bulos · Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 4:55 pm Post subject:

I't's an early Super stuck onto a Conn Director valve cluster!
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musicmork · Heavyweight Member Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Posts: 1530

NO WONDER IT's RARE!!!

Who would want a Frankenstein horn?

For what it's worth....It has the correct OLDS waterkeys.
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Ebayscrounger · Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 8:38 am Post subject:

With 22 hours left, this Frankenstein is now at $152.50
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Gilligan · Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject:

So should we call it a COLDS?

Ebayscrounger · Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 8:28 am Post subject:

WOW!!!!!!!!!! It went for $322.90....Maybe I'll get my repair guy to put a Getzen bell on a Bundy body and see how it goes...Any bidders yet?

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musicmork · Heavyweight Member Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Posts: 1530

That's amazing. A Super-Director for $ 322.90?

It even has a bend in the bell flare.

I wonder what my LARK Bb trumpet with the Bach Bell is worth? lol.
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TRUMPET: Getzen , Olds
MOUTHPIECES Bach 3-C, Schilke 13a4a
CORNET: Holton Galaxy (Awesome horn)
KEYBOARDS: Kurzweil PC88MX,Yamaha S-30, Casio Privia 575R