Wayne Bergeron Kanstul 1600 Model

improver · Heavyweight Member Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 1464

i owned a WB for a short time,anew one. The laquer started to come off,it was hard to find a mpc match, the sound had a good core but sounded thin and bright when gassed. thin with no character, and i couldnt get used to the blow. Even WB said Kanstul could never duplicate that first horn they made for him.

pair of kings · Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:06 pm Post subject:

glad you love you Yammies, improver.
I think you are a-okay!!!!!

india · New Member Joined: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 1

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On 2004-06-10 20:33, tptpt wrote:
I have been playing a WB for 15 months and love it. My horn does have one quirk though; Water collects in the second valve slide. I have to remove the slide and hold the horn up and blow out the water. It will not come out the water keys and gets trapped in the slide. I do not have this problem on my other horns. (it is more of an incovienence than a problem). Anyone else have this happen?

Steve

I Too have had this. It is most annoying and I am not as laid back as tptpt about it and am ready to switch horns!!!

SCCCLead · Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:34 pm Post subject: 1600 WB

Good choice with the WB model. I've heard some positive things as well as some negatives, but the pros most definitely outweigh the conns. I'm picking up a new WB horn myself in a few days. I tried the 1500A, and it just didn't have enough in the high register for me. The 1600 is a great choice, especially for all-around use. Let me know how you like it.
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DCB1 · Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:03 pm Post subject:

You want to here what WB can do with this horn... go see The Incredibles and then get the soundtrack. Great player!
I would like to try one for sure.
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Archie Sawyer · Heavyweight Member Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 668

Ok, agreed. The Kanstul 1600WB would seem to be a great lead horn and very versatile. However, how might this trumpet compare up to the likes of a Schilke S42. I know that the 1600WB bell was based off of a Bach 72 style bell. Is the Schilke bell more similar to a Bach 37 style bell? I'm not really sure but seems like the S42 would project better than a 1600WB. Does anyone have any thoughts on this or has anyone played both of these and could offer up a comparison in their playing characteristics?

Archie

DCB1 · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:48 am Post subject:

If you are looking for the best projecting horn out there... Callet Superchops.

Great lead horn!
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mulligan stew · Heavyweight Member Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 1846

Schilkeman--I recently auditioned both the S42 and the 1600WB. I need to preface my comments by saying I may have had a dog of a 1600--a lot of people seem to like it, but I didn't at all. It had a coarse, unmusical tone in the midrange--kind of dead sounding, and lacked a smooth slotting feel (hard to describe--I like a fluid transition from note to note and this horn lacked that). It did have a solid core and easy blow in the above-high C range, but who wants to sacrifice the rest of the horn for the high G?

The 1600WB also had adequate valves and slides, but nothing too exciting.

On the other extreme, the S42 had perfect valves and slides, a sweet musical tone, nice fluid note transitions, and a killer upper register. Notes above high G slotted better than almost any other horn I've played. In every respect the Schilke was a better horn than the 1600WB. Projection was a lot better--as judged by an impartial observer.

My only issue w/ the S42 was the size--it is a tight playing horn, and as I was coming off a B1Lb, it would have taken me more than an hour or two to get used to the blow. Plus, I was not really looking for a lead-type horn. That day I did end up buying a Schilke S22.

The S42 is medium bore, ML bell--I suppose it translates to a Bach 37 bell, but I don't really know. It is not a light horn--it feels solid, tight, and fairly heavy. Much more noticeably heavy than the Schilke B series.

Again, I don't know if the 1600WB was a representative horn. Kanstul makes fine products and have done a lot of work for me on other instruments. A great 1600WB MIGHT be more versatile than the S42, just in that it is not as small...the S42 is a laserbeam.
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Clarkie · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:29 am Post subject:

I hav ethe same problem with my WB. Drives me crazy... Anyone find a solution to this problem???

Hi Horns

It's great to hear all you trumpet players have discovered this great horn. I have sold more 1600WB trumpets to more elated great trumpet players than any other. It is truely multidimensional in the hands of an experienced player. It's the trumpet to audition if you are looking for one that has the potential to do everything including lead work above high C.
Contact Hi Horns at www.hihorns.com for the best prices, expert advice and a great in stock selection of 1600WBs and more.

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KanstulBrass · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:01 am Post subject:

Hi All,

I would like to thank Clayton very much for his belief and support of Kanstul products. Clayton, along with several other strong retailers, have helped put this great horn in the hands of many players.

In the latest issue of Music Merchandise Review (MMR): Jim Darby, owner of Capitol Music in Montgomery, Alabama, states that one of his top sellers last year was the ZKT 1600.

By the way, in the latest issue of Music Inc., there is a list of the top 50 music retailers in the country (out of about 8,000!) Capitol Music made the list. Congratulations, Darby!

This horn is indeed as good as you've heard!
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SatchmoGillespie · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:25 am Post subject:

jimmysmith76 · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:36 am Post subject:

I use to have a lawler that did the same thing. Try to clean your tuning slide out. My tuning slide was dirty and was not letting water out of the water key. Hope that this helps.
Jimmy Smith

the chief · Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:22 pm Post subject:

joetriscari · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:41 am Post subject:

I heard Wayne was going to Yamaha...
Joe Triscari

Clarkie · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:12 am Post subject:

Yup, That's the word on the street...

Trptbenge · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:48 am Post subject:

There was a post earlier on TH from someone who took a lesson from Wayne and he had a prototype he was testing from Bob Malone. I don't know the particulars of his deal but it seems like a better deal for Wayne. Also, he is with a company that has a lot more resources then Kanstul.
Now, with Yamaha's Artist Series they seem to be more aggressive then ever going after top artists and getting them.

One more thing that should make it a nice fit during development is that Bob Malone and Wayne played together at Disneyland many years ago. So, they have known each other for a long time.

Mike

DCB1 · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:33 am Post subject:

I still say that Yamaha will take the world over.

I want to make one work... but the las one I tried was to lifeless. The workmanship and quality is top notch. I may have to try a few more.
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Mikeytrpt · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:23 pm Post subject:

I wonder if part of the reason Wayne is working with Yamaha is that Yamaha can give him the free PR that Kanstul, being a small company, cannot........

He sounds great on his Kanstul horn. I have a hard time beliving that Kanstul cannot duplicate Wayne's prototype. I have played the WB 1600 and the Yamaha 8310Z side by side, and the Kanstul had far more core and projection..............