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Bill · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2002 12:56 am Post subject:

Great idea, Dave...let's just stay away from valve guide material and cryo freezing

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_bugleboy · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2002 6:32 am Post subject:

Why wouldn't all those categories logically fall into aready existing forums?

dbacon · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 8592

Martin · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2002 9:37 am Post subject:

A Pro and Con forum?

Nah, I´m against it...

dbacon · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 8592

Hotlipsporter · Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2002 10:40 pm Post subject:

Dave, To say that all the best jazz has already been played is like saying that it is dead, or at least that it can no longer progress. I think that this is an ephitat far too soon for an art form far too young to be dead. This all depends on what you consider the "best" jazz though. If your are looking to hear another Armstrong, Berrigan, Parker, or Gillespie, then you are right. But it is quite certain that no one will ever play like Louis Armstrong, Harry James, Clark Terry, Clifford Brown, etc... but who is to say what the future holds. How can you imply that no great jazz exist today or tommorow. I would argue on behalf of Wynton, however I really believe his music speaks much more clearly for itself than I could, especially when you relate it to where Duke and Mingus were going with their music. (please, I would rather not argue about this, just stating my opinion). However, Wynton aside, what about great contemporary artists like Gonzalo Rubalakaba (cant spell that), Mark Whitfield, Keith Jarret, Elvin Jones (Jazz Machine), Joshua Redman, etc...

I am of the opinion that the best Jazz contains that spirit which is timeless. Two recordings off the top of my head: Louis Armstrong playing Potatoe Head Blues (1927), and John Coltrane playing Crecent (1964), both of these are truly amazing and you can't deny that the 37 years between them make any difference in their appeal to us today (can you?). I recently heard Ahmad Jamal live and I could easily place that amazing performance next to the two previous, and its the year 2002. I think that a statement such as yours is really unfair to the many great Jazz musicians out there making the best music they can in this day and age. Among them, there are great artists surely emerging. Check out Greg Osby, Jeremy Pelt, Mike Rodriguez, etc...

Please, for your own sake, have an open mind of what is out there and what is to come and dont (if you do) base what is great on what was great.

I don't think that a pro/con forum would be anything entirely new. Debate certainly exists already so you might as well try and make something positive out of it. So when two trumpeters start going at it, and others start jumping in on either side (which can get pretty ugly sometimes), they can just move it to a debate-pro/con room where that kind of stuff wouldnt be looked down upon but rather encouraged. Just my thoughts.

Charles P.

P.S. Where do you live?- Im in NYC, so maybe I have a slight advantage to you (in terms of hearing what is out there), since I live in the Jazz capitol of the world.

[ This Message was edited by: Hotlipsporter on 2002-04-17 01:45 ]

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Nicholas Dyson · Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2002 6:09 pm Post subject:

_PhilPicc · Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2002 6:25 pm Post subject:

_bugleboy · Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2002 11:23 pm Post subject:

[ This Message was edited by: bugleboy on 2002-06-28 14:37 ]

jgadvert · Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:35 pm Post subject:

This is another great idea that is sadly not followed through on. Yes, these types of things can be discussed within existing forums.
But if you like this type of discussion(I would like to read about the pros and cons of every horn and technique approach) you dont have to weed this type of discussion out.

Boys and girls, if you talk the same talk, you'll end up always talking to the same people(for the most part). That aint good from a number of standpoints.

I have no absolutely no doubt that this would get many more views(=interest!) than several others which now exist. No doubt

PS: You guys turned a very simple suggestion in to this debate that's so boring, I cant even bear to read it.

Topic one:

The Bach strad 37.

Pros:Beautiful sounding, well respected name brand horn in most cases etc...

Cons: Stuffy in high register. Production inconsistencies etc...

[ This Message was edited by: jgadvert on 2002-08-13 01:49 ]

Nicholas Dyson · Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:20 pm Post subject:

Why doesn't someone start a debate in the debating forum regarding the Pros and Cons forum? Seems like there is some support. I don't know who will debate you, but I'm willing to bet Charly is game! weeeeee! fun times!
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