SA Survey: Regarding Pedal Tones

Matt Graves · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 6:30 am Post subject: SA Survey: Regarding Pedal Tones

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_trumpetgod_02 · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 8:28 am Post subject:

Matt,

I would answer A to all of those questions. Many people around here know that I highly advocate the pedal register. I don't know whether or not I had any exposure to pedals before I picked up SA. But I do know that Claude layed them out just right for me. I feel that they progress in a very attainable manner. And that overall he did a very good job with the presentation.

However I feel that you are conducting this survey to see if there would be a market for writing another one of your books. Maybe " Fundamental Pedal Tones For the Trumpet Player". Which I think could be a good thing as well. There is nothing more important than building a good solid foundation not only for your overall playing, but for every aspect that makes up our playing as well. And A book by someone with as many credentials as yourself and someone who has studied with Claude himself would be fully capable of further explaining and even further expounding on His thoughts and even adding in some of your own.

I may be wrong about the book idea, but it would certainly be something to think about. Let us know.
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Matt Graves · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 9:20 am Post subject:

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_trumpetgod_02 · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 9:44 am Post subject:

Matt,

Sorry for the confusion, I never studied with Claude, when I said "HE" laid them out for me rather well I was referring to his book. However, I do not think that I would be a task of improving Claude's works. Which may be done, but it would rather be more like a prepatory step to them. Like your book of Lip Flexabilities isn't designed to improve upon, or relace, colins or smith or any of those, rather a stepping stone to get ready for them, or to improve your fundamental basis. I don't know though, there haven't been too many books that tackle the steps of preparation for pedals. And I think that is why more people don't use them, they become frustrated with them, and then instead of saying that they can't do them, (which is a false in its self) they just say that they don't do any good and that is why they don't do them.

That would be quite a project though, coming up with a book that prepares players to properly learn how to play in the pedal register. It would be a lot of fun, but definitely a lot of work.
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redface · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 9:54 am Post subject:

1. b - though I still find pedal F the hardest to maintain -always seem the most resistant pedal of all.
2. b - though once I had developed the correct habit of same mouthpiece set, it made the pedals easier to play.
Although I don't remember the book talking about mouthpiece set.
3. a - especially when descending arpeggios are used as the pitches are there on a plate
4. a - the exercises always say to continue down as far as possible, so the pace is geared to the individual - there is no fixed mark to aim for at the end of each lesson (i.e. pedal C by the end of week 3 etc.).

Hope my answers help.

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mark936 · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 5:50 pm Post subject:

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CG lessons for only a year. 1978

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Vessehune · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 11:25 pm Post subject:

I've been doing Gordon off on and for a bit. My problem starts in Lesson 3. After all the notes are below pedal it's tough to get a refence point. For my own stuides I start an octave up to get the pitch in my head and then go down from there. Maybe add this in or something similar.

Matt Graves · Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2002 5:59 am Post subject:

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ZeroMan · Heavyweight Member Joined: 21 Jul 2002 Posts: 1112

Thanks for the tips Matt.

capriman · Regular Member Joined: 20 Dec 2002 Posts: 41

I haven`t worked with CG`S method yet Matt,but I intend to do so.
However,I do all of my pedal work on flugel.I derive far more result from doing pedals on flugelhorn than I ever have on trumpet or cornet.
I use a .460 capri flugel and a Wick 2FL mouthpiece.This combination has done more to strengthen my embouchre,incease my flexibility,lung capacityand breath support than anything else I`ve done.I`ve found that playing big into the flugel as if were a large cornet can really give you a work out.
the .460 flugelhorns have the ability to sing beautifully,like a trombone in the upper register!....Jack

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