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Lolo Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: Dominant 7th in the key of C- two octaves. HELP! |
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Dominant 7th in the key of C- two octaves. What does that mean? I don't get another lesson until Monday 15th because my teacher is away. I want to learn my grade 5 scales as I have my exam in March time and this is a required scale.
Dominant Seventh: in the key of C (two octaves) Is what the syllabus says. _________________ What you recall are impressions; we have the facts. We called the tune. The secret police of your childhood were older, wiser than you, bigger. Call back the sound of their voices. Boom. Boom. Boom. |
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lh Claude Gordon Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Dominant seventh scales (often called mixolydian) are just like a Major, but with a flat seventh step.
(ascending) C D E F G A Bb C D E F G A Bb C _________________ Eclipse Enigma Bb trumpet 2011
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Lolo Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: |
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THANKYOU!! You are my saviour! _________________ What you recall are impressions; we have the facts. We called the tune. The secret police of your childhood were older, wiser than you, bigger. Call back the sound of their voices. Boom. Boom. Boom. |
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MannyLaureano Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Lolo,
Are you sure you aren't being asked to play a dominant 7th ARPEGGIO two octaves rather than a SCALE?
C E G Bb are the notes for that arpeggio.
Consult your Arban method book and you'll find the dominant 7th arpeggios in every key starting with C major.
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lh Claude Gordon Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: |
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It looks like Manny is right! (big shock here...) I'm glad you posted.
I just checked and... The ABRSM Grade 5 trumpet syllabus refers to the Dominant 7th under the heading of arpeggios (C E G Bb C E G Bb C ascending).
On the other hand the ABRSM Grade 5 jazz trumpet syllabus refers to a particular mixolydian under the heading of scales.
Do the arpeggio.
Dave _________________ Eclipse Enigma Bb trumpet 2011
Olds Super Bb trumpet 1958
Eclipse Red Flugelhorn 2011
Selmer Paris model 59 Piccolo 1977
Conn New Invention Cornet 1913 |
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Lolo Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Okay. I just do the arpeggio? Thanks. I have always failed the scales (grade 4 I got something like 10) so I'm getting an early start. _________________ What you recall are impressions; we have the facts. We called the tune. The secret police of your childhood were older, wiser than you, bigger. Call back the sound of their voices. Boom. Boom. Boom. |
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Keith R. Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Dominant 7th in the key of C- two octaves. HELP! |
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Lolo wrote: | I want to learn my grade 5 scales as I have my exam in March time and this is a required scale. |
Based on what you say here, it looks pretty clear that your goal is to practice the scale, not the arpeggio.
Lolo wrote: | I have always failed the scales |
How are you going to avoid failing scales by practicing arpeggios?
Until you're sure, I'd say just practice both. _________________ --kr
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MannyLaureano Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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I'm taking into account that there may be a bit of confusion by the student.
At any rate, you're right. A serious musician practices scales and arpeggios to push his technique whether it's required.
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Keith R. Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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MannyLaureano wrote: | I'm taking into account that there may be a bit of confusion by the student.
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As a good teacher must.
I'll admit, when I read "dominant 7th" I think of
a chord, not a scale.
(But then I think of a scale to play over it).
Lolo seems fairly sure that scales are the problem,
but, hey: Why not blow your teacher away on the
15th when you can do both? _________________ --kr
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dbacon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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"Dominant 7th in the key of C"
Dominant in C is the V chord....starts on G..
G B D F=Dom 7th in the key of C Major.
C7=C E G Bflat (key of F)
G7=G B D F (key of C)
The 5 (V) chord is the Dominant of the major key. |
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trumpetmike Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Dave Bacon has the right answer for the query - assuming the exam in question is the Associated Board Grade 5 - G, B, D, F, G
This is part of the exam syllabus published by the Associated Board of the Royal Schools of Music.
Lolo - to be honest, your teacher should be telling you this, if they aren't - ask them why they are not.
I am a brass teacher who uses this and the Trinity Guildhall exam system - if you have any queries, please feel free to PM me. |
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lh Claude Gordon Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Holy moly, I stand corrected!
Who woulda thunk that ABRSM would suddenly become concerned with chord function on the practical tests!
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MannyLaureano Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Of course, you're right, David. I got C7 stuck in my head after reading lh's post and didn't bother to get it unstuck. At any rate, the Arban's book spells it all out quite nicely.
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