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Author Pierre Thibaud-Method for the Advanced Trumpeter.
dbacon
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Posts: 1125 Posted: 2002-08-13 00:24
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I just recieved a copy of this new book along with "Daily Routine and Vocalises" and "Chromatic Exercises and Technical Studies" all by Thibaud. Published by Balquhidder Music (Rob Roy McGregor, of the L.A. Phil.).

When the Stamp book was first published, it took a while for the trumpet community to fully realize the importance of that work. I believe it won't take long for this Method to find the same importance. Mr. Thibaud has developed a very comprehensive approach to the tone production issues we all face. Pedal Tones and Double Pedals are used extensivly, new concepts such as playing "inside" (not as with the Jazz term, but expanding on the Stamp concept of "stay down as you go up," to include vertical as well as horizontal thinking. You will want the book to clearly explane. A fascinating new concept!), the Positive-negative, and a vast array of practice material to challenge any player. Following major surgery, Mr. Thibaud was forced to rethink the way to play the trumpet. Remembering the methods of Maggio, Stamp, Spaulding, etc., he would spend a long time working and found a way to play in all registers easily. This promises to be a major step forward in trumpet pedagogy.


Dave Bacon

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Atomlinson
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Joined: May 22, 2002
Posts: 78
From: Somerset England
Posted: 2002-08-17 14:45
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Hi Dave

I've ordered the "Method" and "Daily Routine" books for now.

I'm interested to see what Pierre Thibaud has to say about trumpet playing. I've seen a couple of write-ups of Masterclasses in the ITG Journal which has whetted my appetite.

I wonder how much of this influenced Hakan Hardenberger's development when he studied in Paris with PT?

Andrew Tomlinson
Somerset England

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dbacon
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Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 1125 Posted: 2002-08-17 15:41
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I've found some very interesting exercises to practice and some new concepts and insights on some old concepts (playing inside, note centering etc. Pedals.). Let me know how you find this approach any different than Stamp/Hardenberger.

Dave Bacon

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Atomlinson
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Joined: May 22, 2002
Posts: 78
From: Somerset England
Posted: 2002-08-17 17:48
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At the Balquhidder web-site is the following quote by Hardenberger:

"To study with Pierre Thibaud is a life-changing, turbulent and wonderful experience. In deep gratitude to my mentor I congratulate all players on this book that will provide a window into the world of this great pilot."

I can't say that I find this a complete and enthusiastic endorsement.

I much prefer what Donald Green (Princ Trpt L.A.P.O) says:

"I consider myself extremely fortunate to be able to call Pierre Thibaud my friend and mentor. His insights have helped me tremendously. No serious student of the instrument should be without this invaluable work."

I find this far more convincing.

Andrew Tomlinson

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Atomlinson
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Joined: May 22, 2002
Posts: 78
From: Somerset England
Posted: 2002-10-03 10:25
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I have now received two volumes of Pierre Thibaud's Method (1) Method for the Advanced Trumpeter (2) Daily Routine and Vocalises. The third volume is still on order.

Like James Stamp after his heart attacks, Pierre Thibaud found that major surgery forced him to rethink his way of playing the instrument. As Dave Bacon says it is very much based on the use of the pedal and double pedal register.

1. HAKAN HARDENBERGER - Stamp:"Symphony No. 1" on OJ's Website. It's not easy to tell from this article how much he has been influenced by Stamp and Thibaud as he only discusses "note bending", "mouthpiece practice" and the first few exercises in the Stamp Warm-ups. (Though he says he spends about one hour on this) It would be interesting to know whether he goes on later to use some of the other exercises in Stamp. Hakan studied with Thibaud between 1978-81 and Pierre's new method represents his more recent thinking. Also according to acknowledgements at the front of each volume Hardenberger may have had some input on this project.

2. JAMES STAMP - although these books are influenced by Stamp there are other influences from Maggio, Spaulding, Franquin, Cichowicz, Colin, Bai Lin, Concone, and Sabarich, Caruso and even Gottfried Reiche (his scales).

In Stamp's Warm-ups+Studies book he often encourages the reader to play exercises higher than written, but I haven't seen any indication that he encourages anyone to go below the first pedal C.

3. PIERRE THIBAUD - as Dave Bacon has said above, these three volumes probably represent an important landmark in French Trumpet Pedagogy tradition, and will likely become best sellers. They are intended for fairly advanced players, though there are plenty of exercises which could be used within someone's current range initially. It is intended that the larger book "Method for the Advanced Trumpeter" (166pp) be studied first.

Anyone else out there want to comment on them?

Andrew Tomlinson

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We brought this up some time ago. Worth working through.

Dave Bacon



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David, Andrew and others,

I've just contacted Balquhidder to order all the books.

Btw, I have Thibaud's "old" book (from 1978). There he talks about "negative" playing. I don't have the Franquin Method (yet), but from what I've learned from Guy Touvron, there must be some Franquin things in the "old" Thibaud book - like the first (attack) exercises .

It is interesting that Thibaud has been learning from all over the world - he is not "stuck" in the "French school". He uses material from different teachers in US, like Maggio, Stamp, Caruso, etc.

Ole

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Ole

You are right about Thibaud using material from many sources. And yes, you will find an exercise from the Franquin Method on page 104 in the larger book (Method for the Advanced Trumpeter BQ-74).

I have to admit that perhaps I am slightly less enthusiastic about the 3 Volume set than I was previously. For example, I am not sure if double pedal notes are really necessary and on pages 5 and 6 in the same volume mentioned above, I'm not sure what Thibaud is actually trying to illustrate.

I've tended to drift back to Stamp "Warm-ups+Studies", Damrow "Fitness for Brass", Cichowicz "Flow Studies" and Clarke "Technical Studies" in recent months.

One section I do like is again in the main volume and that is the Vocalises section pages 44-74.

Hope you find the books helpful. Let us all know how you got on with them later.

Best Wishes

Andrew Tomlinson