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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 7196 Location: Greenfield WI
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: Just shut it |
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All you Olds worshippers? Just shut it. There were a cubic buttload of other horns that were also good. Olds is not the grail. So, STFU.
There are other horns that are as good, if not better. Many. Not that I would point any out.
Oh, and you Conn people? STFU as well. Seriously.
New folk? If you want to try a vintage horn, there are lots in your local store, and on the 'bay. Most of them don't suck. Any vintage horn will get anyone started and you can find lots of horns endorsed by lots of folks.
I am just sick-and-tired by the same old people saying the same-old-stuff as if their favorite vintage were the best thing on the planet. Sorry, dude, it ain't. There are lots of good horns being ignored. Explore them.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
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lmf Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 May 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: Indiana USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, Vet,
I take it you don't like Olds and Conn?
Glad you got that off your chest!
Any guitars you don't like?
Best wishes,
Lloyd
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Shillelagh Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 709 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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...do you hear that?
No?
It's a variable armadda of Conn and Olds huggers. They're coming. I can hear it. I can... almost feel it.
Oh man, thanks for giving me a late night laugh out loud. I'm pretty darn sure I woke at least 2 people up. I don't know how long that thread is going to last until the Administration comes in and changes or closes it down, or if the Conn-Olds Armadda sweeps in and obliterates it with "Shock and Awe" tactics.
You've dug your own grave now, boy. George W. Bush played an Olds.
Good post. _________________ I dodge the warm fuzzies, are they contagious?
Bach Artisan Bb
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 9372 Location: Heart of Dixie
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Yes, everyone knows deep down that Bach makes the best trumpets. Instead of just admitting that fact, buying one, and practicing, too many people try to find a horn that will do it for them. Olds, Conn, Beuscher, Yamaha, Schilke, Getzen, King, etc. are just stepping stones to the real thing.....a Bach.
Now, I know there will be a lot of opposition to this idea, but denial ain't just a river in Egypt. If you've tried a Bach Strad and you didn't like it, there's something wrong with you, not the horn. Come out of the darkness and move into the light with me. Nothing beats a Bach. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12664 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Dale Proctor wrote: | Yes, everyone knows deep down that Bach makes the best trumpets. Instead of just admitting that fact, buying one, and practicing, too many people try to find a horn that will do it for them. Olds, Conn, Beuscher, Yamaha, Schilke, Getzen, King, etc. are just stepping stones to the real thing.....a Bach.
Now, I know there will be a lot of opposition to this idea, but denial ain't just a river in Egypt. If you've tried a Bach Strad and you didn't like it, there's something wrong with you, not the horn. Come out of the darkness and move into the light with me. Nothing beats a Bach. |
Amen!
Oh, you weren't serious? |
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 9372 Location: Heart of Dixie
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: |
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LittleRusty wrote: | Amen!
Oh, you weren't serious? |
Well, yes, in a tongue-in-cheak way. The best horns I presently own and have previously owned are all Bach Strads. I have 3 of 'em now - a Bb trumpet, C trumpet, and short cornet. Others may come close, but I'm a "Bach Loyalist", for sure. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12664 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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Dale Proctor wrote: | LittleRusty wrote: | Amen!
Oh, you weren't serious? |
Well, yes, in a tongue-in-cheak way. The best horns I presently own and have previously owned are all Bach Strads. I have 3 of 'em now - a Bb trumpet, C trumpet, and short cornet. Others may come close, but I'm a "Bach Loyalist", for sure. |
I own three strads myself. And Getzen, Kanstul, Yamaha and Conn. |
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regularsopguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Oct 2003 Posts: 577
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Just shut it |
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VetPsychWars wrote: | All you Olds worshippers? Just shut it. There were a cubic buttload of other horns that were also good. Olds is not the grail. So, STFU.
There are other horns that are as good, if not better. Many. Not that I would point any out.
Oh, and you Conn people? STFU as well. Seriously.
New folk? If you want to try a vintage horn, there are lots in your local store, and on the 'bay. Most of them don't suck. Any vintage horn will get anyone started and you can find lots of horns endorsed by lots of folks.
I am just sick-and-tired by the same old people saying the same-old-stuff as if their favorite vintage were the best thing on the planet. Sorry, dude, it ain't. There are lots of good horns being ignored. Explore them.
Tom |
i like Kanstul, which is descended from Olds and from Benge, which is a direct descendant of Besson. i think that these are some of the best trumpets out there. Am I, too, supposed to STFU?
how about a UFIA or you could DIAF
how many horns in a "cubic buttload"? how many horns fit in your butt? _________________ "Come with uncle and hear all proper. Hear angel trumpets and devil trombones...you are invited." |
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 9372 Location: Heart of Dixie
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: |
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LittleRusty wrote: | I own three strads myself. And Getzen, Kanstul, Yamaha and Conn. |
Yep - I have 3 Strads, 2 Olds, 1 King, 4 Conns, 1 Kanstul, and the old Lehnert. Now I'll STFU.... _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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dannac Veteran Member
Joined: 01 Dec 2006 Posts: 101 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | but denial ain't just a river in Egypt | |
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dannac Veteran Member
Joined: 01 Dec 2006 Posts: 101 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | how many horns in a "cubic buttload"? | |
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dqjazz Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 236
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Here comes a Conn lover!!!
Isn't this all to do with one's own experiences? I have owned new Bach's, the Monette LTJ a French Besson and now I play a CONN CONNSTELATION
And I think it's the best thing I have ever played. It happens to be the first 2nd hand horn I've bought. If you haven't tried a vintage horn then you haven't got any legs to stand on in the argument against them. All I can say is that new horns aren't what everyone thinks they are and most of us buy a new horn thinking we are going to sound better, but the truth of the matter is that most new horns aren't made with the same care that the "vintage" horns were, which is why we go on about them |
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regularsopguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Oct 2003 Posts: 577
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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viva la difference _________________ "Come with uncle and hear all proper. Hear angel trumpets and devil trombones...you are invited." |
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jazzmanwv Veteran Member
Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 152 Location: West Virginia
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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I love my Connstellation, and my Martin - I want to light my Strad on fire. But, I'm a trumpet hack who wishes he played tenor saxophone.
The Olds/Conn armada is on the way, but they'll be late. We're all out searching for just the right synthetic valve oil to fix our hung-up valves. $20 bottle of valve juice anyone? _________________ ...tryin' to find some swing |
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A.N.A.Mendez Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 5228 Location: ca.
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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jazzmanwv wrote: | I love my Connstellation, and my Martin - I want to light my Strad on fire. But, I'm a trumpet hack who wishes he played tenor saxophone.
The Olds/Conn armada is on the way, but they'll be late. We're all out searching for just the right synthetic valve oil to fix our hung-up valves. $20 bottle of valve juice anyone? |
Sorry to hear about your sticky Conn valves! _________________ "There is no necessity for deadly strife" A. Lincoln 1860
☛ "No matter how cynical you get, it's never enough to keep up" Lily Tomlin☚ |
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Brass Dad Regular Member
Joined: 04 Jan 2008 Posts: 12 Location: Washington
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'm glad my kid didn't follow the in crowd, otherwise they would all sound the same. Variety is good, especially with a Olds _________________ If you can't play, might as well be a Brass Dad!
'47 Olds Super Curry 5M, 5B
'80's YFH 631 RB bell Curry 5FL
You know you wanna "Touch It"http://youtube.com/watch?v=QRq63FOrQXY |
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bowiefighter Veteran Member
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 163 Location: Phoenix, Az
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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I'm still waiting for someone to use E.M.B.O.W.A.F.A. in a sentence!
Funny thread.
bowiefighter
P.S. GO BUNDY!!! _________________ Why postpone today what you can postpone tomorrow? |
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slide911 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 894
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: |
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I agree whole heartedly. STOP talking about Olds. Do not bid on them at Ebay. Do not point out those lousy super recordings at auction. Nobody cares and nobody wants to know, so just keep it to yourself. You don't want them. They are terrible. Especially the ones from the 30's with the hand hammered bell: who wants a horn that looks like it got caught in a hail storm. If you have one, please sell it for whatever you can get for it, which isn't much, believe me. _________________ 1921 Conn 80A Cornet
1934 King Silvertone Cornet
1951 Martin Committee Trumpet |
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Ed Lee Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 2156 Location: Jackson NC 27845
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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And who manufactured the horn that most all of the others worldwide have copied? The answer is Besson. Can any trumpeter break an inexpensive blown glass stemmed wineglass with their horn? I saw Walter H. Cameron do it with his 1852 French Besson, yes, the Paris, France horn before Besson moved to England. Yeah, I know hand blown stemmed wine glasses are not inexpensive now, but they were relatively so in the mid "40s, or at least they were prolific enough for Mr. Cameron to waste occasionally. Also, he was the one that "set me up" to pursue the altissimo range of performance albeit with no horn I've had have I been able to break any glass. Did he use crooks to alter pitch of his horn, as were often common in times that his horn was manufactured, I don't know. Too, I never knew what relavence this "trick" had to do with music ... and I have often thought he just had the whole scenario set us as a magician would just to stimulate young children's interest in instrumental music. OK, I've also seen it done subsequently with the wave of a magicians wand expelling "smoke" (CO2) against a very hot wine glass, just as any high school student in physics class ( younger today in science class???) would realize would happen as a result. |
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Ed Lee Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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And Bundy WENT! |
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