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markp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: Specific product recommendations for stripping lacquer |
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I've got a great, pre-war Besson flugel. The folks who found and restored it thought that it would be a great idea to give it a shiny, bright yellow lacquer. It's color is exactly like a Bobby Shew Yamaha.
The consensus is that I probably shouldn't press charges against these well-meaning folks for desecrating this 90-year old beauty, but that the lacquer has to go.
I've done some research in the archives here about stripping horns, but I'd appreciate some specific brand names of products I can buy to help me accomplish this task safely and easily. I don't want to harm my horn or myself, and I don't want to spin my wheels. I understand that anything that requires me to buff the horn for hours might take metal off the horn.
I've read hot and cold references to Easy Off. I've also seen references to TuffStrip, but can't locate it on-line. One guy recommended some product that can be found at Home Depot with a picture of a genie on the can. Can anyone supply me with the name of that product?
I've heard that I must definately steer clear of acids.
Thanks in advance for your suggestions. |
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Lacquer thinner? _________________ Bill Bergren |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: Re: Specific product recommendations for stripping lacquer |
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markp wrote: | I've got a great, pre-war Besson flugel. The folks who found and restored it thought that it would be a great idea to give it a shiny, bright yellow lacquer. It's color is exactly like a Bobby Shew Yamaha. |
You mean they put clear lacquer over polished brass?
If it's modern epoxy lacquer, it probably won't come off all that easily and anything that could dissolve epoxy lacquer is nothing I'd want to come in contact with.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
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trptdaddy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:09 am Post subject: |
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"Airplane Stripper". Bought mine some time ago at Pep Boys Auto Supply. Brush on gel, outdoors. Wait 15 - 30 minutes, hose off.
David |
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maeissin Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: |
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If it's epoxy lacquer, take it to a shop that can do it, otherwise, don't mess. You don't want the fumes and the possibility of damaging you, your family, items in the home or, most importantly, the horn. _________________ me
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1950s Olds Ambassador Cornet
1930s Pan American Baritone
1930s Pan American Mellophone
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markp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: |
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trptdaddy wrote: | "Airplane Stripper". Bought mine some time ago at Pep Boys Auto Supply. Brush on gel, outdoors. Wait 15 - 30 minutes, hose off.
David |
Thanks Dave! Are you sure this won't hurt the horn? |
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trptdaddy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: |
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markp wrote: | trptdaddy wrote: | "Airplane Stripper". Bought mine some time ago at Pep Boys Auto Supply. Brush on gel, outdoors. Wait 15 - 30 minutes, hose off.
David |
Thanks Dave! Are you sure this won't hurt the horn? |
Hasn't hurt mine. These things are metal. They are bashed, cut, hammerred, heated, covered in acid, soldered, dipped in all sorts of solutions, buffed, all before leaving the factory. Some tend to treat them like they were made of silk. Dry Clean Only! Heck even much silk is made machine washable these days. Just make sure all the stipper is rinsed off well and give it a good bath with dishwashing liquid.
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Liberty Lips Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Robb Stewart recommended Tal-Strip aircraft coating remover, Mar-Hyde brand. I found it online, and it worked very well. It comes as an aerosol spay can, so be sure to use it in your garage with all the doors and windows open, and use rubber gloves, safety goggles and a respirator. |
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lipshurt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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howdy mark
the stuff i use is Jasco paint stripper.
Rips right epoxy lacquer like nothing, even between the casings.
It bubbles the lacquer. when the whole thing looks bubbly you rinse it off.
read the can for specific warnings, but I thought was pretty tame.
Easy off won't even touch epoxy, and neither will most paint strippers.
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markp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the great advice!
I assume that you remove the valves and corks from the spit valves. Do you disassemble the horn and treat each piece, or leave it together?
Any other tips? |
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A.N.A.Mendez Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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trptdaddy wrote: | markp wrote: | trptdaddy wrote: | "Airplane Stripper". Bought mine some time ago at Pep Boys Auto Supply. Brush on gel, outdoors. Wait 15 - 30 minutes, hose off.
David |
Thanks Dave! Are you sure this won't hurt the horn? |
Hasn't hurt mine. These things are metal. They are bashed, cut, hammerred, heated, covered in acid, soldered, dipped in all sorts of solutions, buffed, all before leaving the factory. Some tend to treat them like they were made of silk. Dry Clean Only! Heck even much silk is made machine washable these days. Just make sure all the stipper is rinsed off well and give it a good bath with dishwashing liquid.
David |
AAARRRGGHHHHHH! _________________ "There is no necessity for deadly strife" A. Lincoln 1860
☛ "No matter how cynical you get, it's never enough to keep up" Lily Tomlin☚ |
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lipshurt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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I leave it all together, spit corks and all.
Slather it on
Won't even get in the valves cuz it's thick like a gel
I dont get why that one guy said "AAARRRGGGG"
what's up with that? _________________ Mouthpiece Maker
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markp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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I know A.N.A. Mendez. He LOVES his vintage Olds collection. He's no fan of modern re-lacquering, either.
Maybe he'll tell us why he says "AAAAARRGH," but I suspect that the cavalier attitude of the guy who says that horns are "just metal," probably rankles him.
I sort of relate. I didn't bathe my own daughter in just any old bubble-bath when she was a baby. Some of them cause rashes and urinary-trac infections.
Maybe that's where he's coming from. |
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A.N.A.Mendez Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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"Hasn't hurt mine. These things are metal. They are bashed, cut, hammerred, heated, covered in acid, soldered, dipped in all sorts of solutions, buffed, all before leaving the factory. Some tend to treat them like they were made of silk. Dry Clean Only! Heck even much silk is made machine washable these days. Just make sure all the stipper is rinsed off well and give it a good bath with dishwashing liquid."
David[/quote]
AAARRRGGHHHHHH!
They are babies! Don't hurt them! _________________ "There is no necessity for deadly strife" A. Lincoln 1860
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trmptz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Aircraft Stripper is "the best" to use. As other's have stated, it just brush's on and you wash it off. I've used it a few different times and it works like a charm! Personally I would remove the valves and slides and do those separately but that's just me. After that you can get some good polish and shine 'er up! |
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Hack001 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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trptdaddy wrote: | "Airplane Stripper" |
Sweet! What airline? Must only be in first class.... _________________ Practicing is for the insecure. |
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trptdaddy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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markp wrote: | I know A.N.A. Mendez. He LOVES his vintage Olds collection. He's no fan of modern re-lacquering, either.
Maybe he'll tell us why he says "AAAAARRGH," but I suspect that the cavalier attitude of the guy who says that horns are "just metal," probably rankles him.
I sort of relate. I didn't bathe my own daughter in just any old bubble-bath when she was a baby. Some of them cause rashes and urinary-trac infections.
Maybe that's where he's coming from. |
You guys are funny. With our first child, we boiled water, sterilized bottles, washed off dropped pacifiers. By #3, he was lucky if we wiped off the pacifier by the time it got back in his mouth. Those vintage horns that A.N.A. Mendez has are lucky to be owned by him. But if they were that delicate, they would have all disappeared and he would not have the pleasure he does in owning them.
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A.N.A.Mendez Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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It's all perception! _________________ "There is no necessity for deadly strife" A. Lincoln 1860
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chuck in ny Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: |
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bought an olds studio off ebay in raw brass, now my grandson's horn.
the previous owner had used ferree's lacquer stripper on it..chuck |
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Bonearzt New Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: |
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The stuff is actually called "Aircraft Remover" comes in a thick liquid and also an aerosol spray.
NASTY though!!
Wear rubber gloves and eye protection as it burns RIGHT NOW if you get it on your skin.
Thanks
Eric _________________ Eric Edwards
Professional Instrument Repair
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If you must choose between two evils, choose the one you haven't tried yet. |
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