help on trumpet (WOHLRAB)

karl8671 · New Member Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 6

IVE HAD A TRUMPET FOR MANY YEARS AND AM THINKING OF SELLING IT BUT NOBODY THAT IVE TAKEN IT TO HAVE HEARD OF IT,IT IS A WOHLRAB, TRUMPET APPROX EARLY FORTIES,IVE BEEN TOLD, AND A FULL SET OF THREE SELMER MUTES, IF ANYBODY CAN OFFER SOME ADVICE, OR HELP WITH INFO ON THIS TRUMPET,I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT THANKS. (i think it is gold plated ??)

oxleyk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 4180

Try this http://tinyurl.com/7ojpjq

Kent

oxleyk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 4180

This one's interesting--no crooks.

http://www.horncollector.com/Trumpets/Trumpets%20-%20Piston/Wohlrab/1940%27s%20Wohlrab%20Crookless%20Trumpet.htm

wardsd · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 504

Wohlrab invented the crookless valve. He was issued a patent for it in 1950. the patent is here

http://www.google.com/patents?id=tipgAAAAEBAJ&dq=wohlrab+valve

The basic idea is to send the air up into the valve itself instead of into a slide.

I have two versions of Wohlrab trumpets - the crookless version that is linked above (in fact, the one linked is my trumpet) as well as the more common version that is only missing the 2nd valve crook.

Steve

veery715 · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:00 pm Post subject:

That is the most remarkable trumpet I have ever seen. No way to adjust pitch/valve, but still really amazing!
I think it's a collector's item for sure.
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swingshift · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject:

thats pretty cool! how does it play?
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wardsd · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 504

The crookless trumpet is a bit stuffy to play, and it feels strange to hold. the valves are significantly larger around than a standard trumpet valve - similar to a Baritone valve or even larger.

It is more of a novelty than a daily player.

The trumpet that has only the 2nd valve crookless is much better - uses standard size valves.

Steve

karl8671 · New Member Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 6

HI GUYS STILL HAVING TROUBLE TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WITCH MODEL,IT IS AND WHAT ITS WORTH, TOOK IT INTO MUSIC SHOP STILL NO HELP, PLAYS REALLY GOOD, AS TO SOME PHOTOS IVE LOOKED AT FROM SITES YOU HAVE GIVEN ME, IM STILL BAFFLELD, ON THE TOP OF THE VALVES, IT LOOKS TO ME THAT THEY ARE MOTHER OF PEARL, NOT PLAIN,AND IT PLAYS GOOD NOT TO LOW, AS SOMEONE ELSE SAID,BUT IM NOT AN EXPERT EITHER,I HAVENT PLAYED THIS FOR 40 YEARS, BUT THE MUSIC SHOP GUYS PLAYED IT AND SAID IT WAS LOVELY TO PLAY.

karl8671 · New Member Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 6

Steve A · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:46 pm Post subject:

Caps Lock, much?

oxleyk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 4180

wardsd · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 504

I think we need more to go on than mother of pearl valve buttons. Does the trumpet have a second valve crook? If you pull the middle valve out, does it have a hole in it that you can't see out the other side? If yes, then you have the 2nd valve crookless trumpet (I made that name up).

The value of the trumpet is whatever someone will pay you for it. Honestly, it isn't worth much. I paid $40 for my 2nd valve crookless trumpet on Ebay several years ago. Mine isn't in great shape. If yours is in good condition, maybe it is worth $100-$200.

Or maybe someone will think not having a 2nd crook is a novelty, and will give you more for it?

I paid quite a bit more for my crookless trumpet, but you already said yours isn't like that one.

Steve

krax · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:06 am Post subject:

Does it look like this one?

That's mine, quite nice to play although it would benefit from a valve job, easy to control. It is very lightweight despite quite thick brass, I wonder how the alloy is put together.

Wohlrab was a German maker, he made other "normal" trumpets too I believe. If you read German check this thread:

http://www.trompetenforum.de/TF/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11484

I can translate it later, when I'm not having a baby at my knee.

karl8671 · New Member Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 6

Its close but still not the same i dont know how to put the photos on, (dumb eh) but i could send photos to an email address,

krax · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:37 am Post subject:

Ok, now I have searched the german trumpet forum, not much information but this is it:

Wohlrab trumpets were built by Bauerfeind in Nauheim, supposedly the man called Wohlrab was working for them, perhaps he headed the trumpet building department? There were several designs (American de Luxe, System 2000 etc.), alas they made not only these slide-less trumpets but also "normal" trumpets.

It is my personal belief that if these trumpets with internal second slide are engraved "Koriot" they were exported to the U.S. If they are engraved "Wohlrab", they were sold in Europe.

What is the serial number on your trumpet? Anyway, I believe that it must have been made after the WW2.

You can e-mail me photos to hk@kraxbb.se and then I will put them up here.

krax · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:41 am Post subject:

This is karl8671´s photos:

Interesting that many details are similar to mine, it looks like a regular version of the same trumpet, so I would guess that yours are from the 50's or the early 60's.

trumpetwinds · Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject: Argonaut?

I have a trumpet that looks similar but it is a regular Bb trumpet called an "Argonaut" That is what is engraved on the bell. It has very nice engraving. The lead pipe says made in Germany.

When I say similar to your pics, I mean the two tone valve casing is very similar.

Has anyone ever heard of an Argonaut?

Plays nice, very lightweight.

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karl8671 · New Member Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 6

was thinking of selling it but have been told its not worth much,???

Tootsall · Heavyweight Member Joined: 05 May 2002 Posts: 2952

Oh brother! Can you just imagine trying to clean the 'science experiments' out of the passages within those valve pistons? Very interesting instrument however.

VetPsychWars · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: