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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramergfy wrote:
razeontherock wrote:
Wayne Bergeron - just watch the cartoon movie a few times (untouchables?)

And that would be "The Incredibles"...Michael Giacchino's score.


I think Rick Baptist actually played lead on "The Incredibles" soundtrack. Wayne was there, though. Great movie, and horn line. See it if you get the chance.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my favorite lead trumpet players has always been Chet Ferretti. He played lead on Maynard Ferguson's "Birdland Dreamband" in the early 1960's. Of all of Maynard's lead trumpet players, he was my favorite. I'm pretty sure he was playing lead on "Maynard '62."

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lynn nicholson is amazing too
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another great lead trumpet player I forgot to mention is Marky Markowitz. He played lead trumpet with Woody Herman's band on the famous "Bird with the Herd" record featuring Charlie Parker. This album was recorded live in Washington DC during the 1950's.

As I'm sure we all know, having great "high chops" is not necessarily a prerequisite for being a good lead trumpet player. Among many other things, having a good "feel," good time, good concept, and being consistent (chops AND phrasing) are of the utmost importance. Marky Markowitz, Chet Ferritti, and Chris Griffin (lead with the Ed Sullivan show) were GREAT examples of this.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bkonstans1 wrote:


I think Rick Baptist actually played lead on "The Incredibles" soundtrack. Wayne was there, though. Great movie, and horn line. See it if you get the chance.


Rick was principal trumpet, but Wayne played the screamin high parts (Just listen the the "The New Babysitter" or really any track on that cd. Regardless, still great trumpeting there.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject: hey Reply with quote

Nice to see someone remember Marky, Roger. One morning decades ago I was going to a morning date and traveling down the Henry Hudson. I pulled into this small parking area and Marky was parked in there, warming up in the car.
I think I was on the same date as him that day. He could pull out a really shallow custom mouthpiece and play some great, bright lead. Thanks for mentioning him.
He was a sweetheart as well.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:59 am    Post subject: also Reply with quote

For that 70's 80's rock thing, recording, Findley was on fire..Grant as well.
And Gary could really swing.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes...Chuck Findley: what a wonderful musician!

Growing up in L.A., I had the opportunity to hear him play lead trumpet with the Louie Bellson and Don Menza big bands on many occasions. He absolutely swings his butt off every time He's a wonderful jazz trumpet player too.

Chuck has always been a huge inspiration for me. He's also a very easy going guy: very giving and accessible to younger musicians.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger, it is really cool that you are on here. You are an incredible player yourself. I really loved the blue light, red light album. The title track and just kiss me are so amazing. Those double high d's were so nice.lol
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RogerIngram wrote:
As I'm sure we all know, having great "high chops" is not necessarily a prerequisite for being a good lead trumpet player. Among many other things, having a good "feel," good time, good concept, and being consistent (chops AND phrasing) are of the utmost importance.
Roger, could you explain how you learned this? You, of course, are one of the top lead players of all time. I'm sure we could all benefit from your expertise!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Yamahaguy,

Thanks for the post and the kind words.

I suppose I learned this in the same manner as most musicians do:
by listening

All the best,
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few names come to mind... Greg Wing, Joey Tartell, and John Harner! Greg Wing played with Buddy Rich, Paul Anka, Tom Jones and DOJO. Joey played with Maynard, the Jazz Ambassadors, several others. John Harner played with Stan Kenton ("Send in the Clowns"). All great guys and amazing lead players!!! Check them out!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably have to mention Cat Anderson. Seems like a disservice not to. Lynn Nicholson and Wayne Bergeron are a couple of my favorites. Great feel, great style, amazing, fat sound in all registers, and they made the people around them better.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon Merian- what a great guy, and what an awesome player. He dated my mother-in-law in high school, and I worked with him in the 80's in several GB bands.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:02 pm    Post subject: Lead trumpet players Reply with quote

Charlie Turner with Frank.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cat did the Ice Show for a while.....had a book written just for him....wow...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:05 am    Post subject: distinction Reply with quote

One additional thing to keep in mind is the distinction between players who specialize in lead playing in the studio and those who are known for live playing.
I hear the questions and arguments already.
A recording player usually gets acquainted with the techniques involved in the studio, and by doing it over the years, develops certain skills, like recognizing who is playing what voice in different sections, cut offs, entrances, and what effects, positively and negatively, the efficacy of a particular pass. Concentration is different as well, as sometimes duplicating the entire pass is necessary, often 20 or more times for various reasons.
The sound focus is also different. A strong dense cord usually penetrates the track. The peripheral stuff on a sound, the stuff that gets it over in a live band, is often lost when recording. There are so many other differences,however these are just a few.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McGovner...please elaborate on the last post..... I like where this is heading... interesting thoughts, there.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: distinction Reply with quote

mcgovnor wrote:
One additional thing to keep in mind is the distinction between players who specialize in lead playing in the studio and those who are known for live playing.
I hear the questions and arguments already.
A recording player usually gets acquainted with the techniques involved in the studio, and by doing it over the years, develops certain skills, like recognizing who is playing what voice in different sections, cut offs, entrances, and what effects, positively and negatively, the efficacy of a particular pass. Concentration is different as well, as sometimes duplicating the entire pass is necessary, often 20 or more times for various reasons.
The sound focus is also different. A strong dense cord usually penetrates the track. The peripheral stuff on a sound, the stuff that gets it over in a live band, is often lost when recording. There are so many other differences,however these are just a few.


While this is true, many great studio players are also great live players and visa versa. You have to be today. I understand what you mean when you speak of the distinct qualities of a studio player but I think you need the same and even more quality when playing live because you only get one shot at it. I know Wayne Bergeron can do both very well. So can Chuck Findley and the list goes on.
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