Was Claude Gordan a Louis Maggio copycat?

trumpetjunkie · Heavyweight Member Joined: 07 Jan 2003 Posts: 622

I've heard that Claude's methods are almost identical to Louis Maggio's. Wat up wit dat?

_Don Herman · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 8:15 pm Post subject:

Claude was his student. FWIW, I have The Maggio System and most of Gordon's books, and there are a lot of differences. Some similarities, too, of course, but I certainly couldn't or wouldn't (admittedly based upon no direct contact with either gentleman) say Gordon simply copied Maggio -- same starting point, perhaps.
FWIW - Don
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bophead · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 8:17 pm Post subject:

As I understand it, Gordon was a student of Maggio, as well as Clarke. Gordon incorporated Maggio practices in his works. I am just getting into Gordon but it looks like he refined Maggio's approach.
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RGale · Heavyweight Member Joined: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 2818

Claude Gordon studied with Maggio and Clarke. Gordon's method is like Maggio, but more extensive and elaborate. It takes more time to play a Gordon routine than Maggio, but if you have the time and inclination Gordon is more thorough. Gordon , in my opinion , is more for serious students.

dbacon · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 8592

Great players and teachers are influenced by each other. Claude Gordon was certainly both a great teacher and player, and has influenced many himself.

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bophead · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 8:27 am Post subject:

Maggio is for less serious students? Is that what you meant? I consider myself a pretty serious student of the instrument. I think in preparing to be a student I need to gather as many tools as I can. I have done some Clarke and Arban studies in the past followed by Maggio. I am now studying some of the Gordon methods and find that they all work together. Maggio, Clarke, Schlossberg, Gordon, Arban, St Jacome all lend themselves to preparing us to be better trumpet players. What you get out of each method is dependent upon what you put into it. Having gone through the Maggio a few times, I'm better able to get a grip on Gordon. I'm looking at this like each exercise prepares me for the next lesson.
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ZeroMan · Heavyweight Member Joined: 21 Jul 2002 Posts: 1112

I think what was meant was that the Gordon routines can become very demanding on a student's time. Therefore, to properly utilitze them as writtent, the student must be serious about it.

Jeff_Purtle · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 6:12 am Post subject:

Take a look at the opening pages of text from Clarke's Setting Up Drills book. You will see that the seven basic items were originally defined by Clarke. Claude took from Maggio for two or three years after Clarke died. He took from Clarke ten years before that and credits Clarke for showing him how to practice. Clarke and Maggio both used pedal tones, contrary to what some think. Claude improved upon Clarke in being more systematic and organized in his assignments of routines. In ten years of lessons with Claude there never was any ambiguity about what to practice, how to practice, and in what order. I don't believe Clarke was the same way.

As a side note, you can investigate things and see that Claude's Systematic Approach book was written in manuscript form in the early 50s before Carlton MacBeth's Maggio Method and some other books focused on high notes. Claude's purpose of the Systematic Approach book was to show people how to apply all the principals of his seven basic items in conjunction with all the great method books. In ten years, I eventually got to all of Claude's books. But, I have a stack of other books we covered that is about twenty times taller than all the books written by Claude.

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John Mohan · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:29 am Post subject:

Well, Jeff Purtle is a BIG-TIME time-saver for me! Everything I would have written in this topic, he already covered. So, I just second everything he wrote!

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