which horn on Vivaldi Concerto for two trumpets?

trumpetgeek234 · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2002 11:35 am Post subject:

I think I am going to play the Vivaldi Concerto for two trumpets. It goes up to high D and I am wondering which sort of trumpet should be used on that one? Which horns do Pros use and which would you suggest.
Appreciating any help.
PB

cybertrumpet · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2002 11:56 am Post subject:

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Kanstul223 · New Member Joined: 15 Feb 2002 Posts: 8

I believe the vivaldi should be played on piccolos.

As for the kanstul, i totally agree. I have been a kanstul Bb user for a few years now and have fallen in love with the sound. Their pics and c's are also just as find instruments. They cost a little more than the standard bach but in my mind perform very well, are very flexible, and project nicely.
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dbacon · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 8592

Larry Smithee · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 4399

Regardless of the brand of horn, I would go with C trumpets if possible and avoid using the Bb on this piece. Another option I experienced with the piece a few years ago that worked very well was that the 1st trumpet part was played on a C and the 2nd part on a piccolo (in A). This combination sounded very good to my ears.
Larry Smithee

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bj · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2002 2:38 pm Post subject:

Hello
I use the F/G picc. Which side you use depends upon which side works best on your make of inst. On the G side it is in F major and on the F side it is in G maj.
yours
Brian Jones

cybertrumpet · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2002 3:18 pm Post subject:

I totally agree, I think that it should be performed on the C, but I was responding to the question is terms of the Bb. I agree with Larry!! Hey Larry, still playing the Bel Canto Bb? How is that horn working out?
I would recommend a Kanstul 1510 C trumpet for this.....
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Yoinks · Veteran Member Joined: 10 Nov 2001 Posts: 258

Yes, either do it with a piccolo trumpet, c trumpets, or a mix of the two, but not any Bb horns. I did do it on Bb horns, and it will sound fine for a church audience, but if you are in any sort of a serious venue, or doing it for the learning experience, then do it on the C's and the piccolos.

thaxterj · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2002 4:18 pm Post subject:

Piccolo trumpet in G or A! It is so much easier that way.

cgooding · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2002 5:11 pm Post subject:

I have always performed it with two Bb pics. I think A pics would work just fine, also. I would not recomend using two drastically different horns (for example a Bb and a pic or other similar combination) as the tone colors would not match. The two trumpets should really sound like one. That's hard to do with horns that are built an octave apart. But whatever works for you.
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Larry Smithee · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 4399

cgooding is correct in that it is typically hard to match sounds mixing a pic and a C trumpet. Nevertheless, it did work the one time I did it, but I wouldn't recommend it as a routine approach. As many are saying here, use one type of trumpet or the other, but avoid mixes.
Larry Smithee

_Don Herman · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2002 8:04 pm Post subject:

The Hickman Big Big suggests (and provides the music for) piccolo trumpet in G, which is what I used for my audition last year. I listened to several recordings, and as best I can tell all used piccolo trumpets; the ones which had liner notes indicated A, G, and C (yup, C!) piccolo trumpets were used.

FWIW - Don
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trumpetgeek234 · Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2002 1:50 am Post subject:

thanx for the great advise!
I have a Bb/A Piccolo available and I think I am goint to use the A Piccolo for that. I don't think C trumpet would be the right choice, because it is too strenuos and it doesn't sound as good as piccolo.
PB

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clarion89 · Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2002 12:49 pm Post subject:

If you have access to piccolo trumpet in B-flat or A, go with that. I believe that is what is heard most of the time on recordings, however, I could be wrong. I performed it on piccolo trumpet and prefer that way.

If you don't have the piccolo go with a C or D trumpet. Good luck,
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richj50 · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Dec 2001 Posts: 370

Having heard it both on C trumpets and piccs, I'd go for the C trumpets but only if you can play it very easily. I couldn't and most players can't, but it sounds much richer on the bigger horns since much of the piece is in the staff, especially for the second player.

Rich

clarino1 · Regular Member Joined: 20 Feb 2002 Posts: 39

Pic in G puts you in F major A pic in Eb I have used Eb tpt. puts you in A. Tony Plog uses G pic with great results.