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coraltrpt Regular Member
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 5:07 pm Post subject: 1941 Conn 22B Trumpet/Mouthpiece Combination |
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Hi all,
Recently I've been playing a nice '41 Conn 22B I had fixed up in NYC. I use the mouthpiece setup I use on my more modern Bach 37. Although, I've noticed that the mouthpiece that came with the horn works a little better (a Vega 'Special'). Not in love with it however.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a period mouthpiece to match with this vintage horn? Maybe something that would translate well to my current 1 1/2 C Bach (or ballpark) mouthpiece. I've read that Robert Nagel played a Bach 1C, but not sure if this was with a 22B or the 60B that he played in his later career.
Thanks for the help.
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rockford Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Mine came with a Conn 4. _________________ Bill Siegfried
NY/Mt. Vernon Bach trumpets. Yamaha flugelhorn and piccolo A/Bb, Monette and Hammond mouthpieces. Fender and Peavey Cirrus Bass Guitars. Ampeg and Genz-Benz amps. Embraer 170/175/190. |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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You might like a TA1 from Austin Custom Brass. Trent says it’s based on a classic design with a V-shaped cup and an inside diameter between a Bach 7 and 5. I use one for big band and it provides a full sound in the staff with easier access to the upper register.
I didn’t think I would like it because I was used to pieces in the 1.5 category but I’ve found the smaller size beneficial. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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derekthor Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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I’ve played a few of those older Conns and I’ve found that they work much better with smaller mouthpieces (e.g. I use a 7D for big band/commercial playing vs. a 1.25C-size piece for everything else). |
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Rompson Regular Member
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boog Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 4:40 am Post subject: |
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I own two 36b Connstellations.
Mouthpieces that work well with these trumpets (at least to me) include:
A Najoom 3c/3 top with ACB A1 slug backbore (what I am currently using). Good for all-around use.
A '60's Connstellation 5BN. Don't care for the size, but it fits well and is period correct. I have a couple of beat-up Conn 4's and an EZ-Tone from the same time period, if you are sticking with a matching piece. They all play quite acceptably, and "look" period-correct.
70's Bach 1
Bach MV 7c
Purviance 4*7 for big band lead playing.
Purviance 4*D4W for studio work. Good recorded sound with the Connstellations.
All of these fit the receivers acceptably, and play well. I have found that gap doesn't affect these horns nearly as much as other trumpets I use.
The Conns are my go-to instruments unless, of course, the "Bach Sound" (whatever that is) is required. |
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coraltrpt Regular Member
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Just wanted to thank everyone for the great suggestions. I tried a 1970's Bach 1, a Conn 4, and a converted a Bach 1 1/4 C that takes Reeves sleeves. The gap problem got worked out and it sings! |
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jhl Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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If you liked the performance of the mpc cut for sleeves, what size sleeve did you find worked best? I know from experience that the standard Reeves shank, a #4, produces a larger gap than any mpc I own. So I will try a couple of Reeves and Purviance mpcs in my old Conns. But I wonder if a sleeve of 3.5 or even 3 might work better. |
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coraltrpt Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:11 am Post subject: |
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I started with a 4 and moved to a 3.5. Both sounded good, but the 3.5 was a little more comfortable. If I had continued to experiment, I probably would have gone even smaller. Hope this helps! |
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jhl Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:15 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. If I get my hands on some sleeves bigger than a 4, like a 3 or 3.5, I will have to give them a try. I always thought the old Conns wanted a mpc that inserted further because the old BI mpcs are longer than today's standard trumpet mpc. |
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Manuel de los Campos Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:24 am Post subject: |
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The time I played Conn 22B I used a Warburton 5M cup + 6 backbore _________________ Technology alone is a poor substitute for experience. (Richard Sachs) |
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