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BlakeD Regular Member
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 13
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:05 am Post subject: Larger Rim CG Personal Help |
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Hi All - Long time lurker and former student of Jeff Purtle here.
I recently picked up my horn again after about 10 years as a hobby during COVID and starting practicing again. I don't really have anywhere to play these days but it's fun to come back to trumpet.
I have always liked the CG personal mouthpiece but the rim always felt too small for my lips.
Before my hiatus I had Mark Curry (http://currympc.com/) make me a special design that was the CG personal in all respects (including the backbore and throat) but extended the rim out to be the size of a Schilke 18.
This mouthpiece plays great for me, but I only have 1 of them and would like to have a backup. I can't seem to get in touch with Mark any longer to make a backup.
Does anyone know of someone who can help me make something to these specifications (or as close as possible)?
1. Schilke 18 Rim
2. "CG" Personal Cup - E.G. the "V" Cup
3. #20 Throat
4. "CG" Personal Backbore
Thanks!
Blake _________________ Trumpet: CG Selmer, and CG Benge
Mouthpiece: CG Personal, Curry BD2 (Custom) |
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lipshurt Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 2642 Location: vista ca
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:44 am Post subject: |
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It’s problematic cuz if you keep the original depth, and make the diameter wider, you have effectively drastically changed the cup shape. So the V angle is now way different that the original. That shape is what makes the original work the way it does.
If you keep the shape, your cup will be deeper than the original. Keeping the shape (adding depth to do it) works for upsizing or downsizing up to a moderate amount, maybe .020 (two “sizes” in either direction, but I think you are doing more than that going to a schilke 18 diameter.
What you are doing could work of course, but it won’t sound or react like the original cup shape _________________ Mouthpiece Maker
vintage Trumpet design enthusiast
www.meeuwsenmouthpieces.com
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BlakeD Regular Member
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 13
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:52 am Post subject: |
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lipshurt wrote: | It’s problematic cuz if you keep the original depth, and make the diameter wider, you have effectively drastically changed the cup shape. So the V angle is now way different that the original. That shape is what makes the original work the way it does.
If you keep the shape, your cup will be deeper than the original. Keeping the shape (adding depth to do it) works for upsizing or downsizing up to a moderate amount, maybe .020 (two “sizes” in either direction, but I think you are doing more than that going to a schilke 18 diameter.
What you are doing could work of course, but it won’t sound or react like the original cup shape |
Thanks for the response! It's true that this was somewhat of an experiment, but it ended up working for me. At the end of the day, it's a really big mouthpiece and deeper than the original for the reasons you described. The backbore and throat are the same as the original CG personal, so it's really a bigger/deeper cup.
Anyhow, just looking to see if I can find a way to create a duplicate/backup of it.
The rim is exact match for a normal Schilke 18. It's funny because if I try to play a Schilke 18 it seems really small, like a cheater mouthpiece compared to this one!
Thanks,
Blake _________________ Trumpet: CG Selmer, and CG Benge
Mouthpiece: CG Personal, Curry BD2 (Custom) |
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Jeff_Purtle Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Mar 2003 Posts: 938 Location: Greenville, South Carolina
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Hey Blake!
You could contact Jim New and see if he can make you a CG Benge size 1. I have one of those in my collection here and it's a little bigger and has the same general shape to the rim. That might be easiest. It's hard to find one floating around used.
Another more expensive option is Bob Reeves to manually copy it. I thought about having that done to have things in his files for students but it's kind of expensive.
Jeff _________________ Jeff Purtle
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EBjazz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2001 Posts: 2368 Location: SF Bay Area
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Trumpetingbynurture Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Nov 2015 Posts: 898
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:19 am Post subject: |
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It depends. If you're talking about the Kanstul CG Personal, then Jim New can absolutely make something like this work for you.
If you're talking about the Marcinkewicz mouthpiece, they can/will do it but they wont use the original blank or stamp it with "CG". It might play a bit different because of the blank but unless you get something significantly heavier, you'll probably not really notice a practical difference.
Jim New would be my go-to for any custom mouthpiece work. He's probably the most affordable in the business for custom work. Could be worth sending him and email. |
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Trumpetingbynurture Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Nov 2015 Posts: 898
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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On a similar note...
Does anyone know who might be able to convert a standard mouthpiece into a threaded top?
I'd like to do that with my Marcink CG. Blasphemy, I know! But the intonation goes a bit questionable (flat above the staff) when I use it on my C trumpet, so would be interested in having one I can plug a different backbore on for that purpose. |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 2536 Location: Cope, IN
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Jeff_Purtle wrote: | Hey Blake!
You could contact Jim New and see if he can make you a CG Benge size 1. I have one of those in my collection here and it's a little bigger and has the same general shape to the rim. That might be easiest. It's hard to find one floating around used.
Another more expensive option is Bob Reeves to manually copy it. I thought about having that done to have things in his files for students but it's kind of expensive.
Jeff |
Hey guys, if you can't locate one to copy, I may have one around here somewhere. I did at one point in time.
Just let me know if I need to search!
Al _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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JVL Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Feb 2016 Posts: 901 Location: Nissa, France
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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hello
i think Marcinkiewicz will keep the same CG blank and ingrave what you want if you ask them.
They made me many custom work, and are very nice & easy people.
best |
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1865 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Trumpetingbynurture wrote: | On a similar note...
Does anyone know who might be able to convert a standard mouthpiece into a threaded top?
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Doug has done several for me.
www.meeuwsenmouthpieces.com
Then of course there is Frost, Osmun, and others. |
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