Why people don't post here?

[BigBadWolf]

I am just wondering why no one posts here. I guess the time of Cookiemonster is behind us (thank god).

Kevin

[Trumpet Dude]

Yep, he is now raising hell at TM.
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[_swthiel]

Reveille is a relic of TH past.

Waaaayyy back in time (I joined about two years ago), there was much less moderation and a lot more flaming back and forth than you see today. As I understand the intent, if a thread got really off topic, this was a place the thread could be sent so that that the parties involved could work out their differences (or not!). It was also a place where some people could vent their grievances with other members (or with people outside the TH community). Occasionally, they even resolved those differences. Occasionally.

Religious and political threads the got too intense for the Lounge were also sent here sometimes.

Back then, the Todd (trumpetherald) was the only person who could moderate everywhere ... other moderators could only act in their own dedicated forums. When Todd changed the moderation model in September/October 2003, we got a team of people who could keep behavior more, well, moderate. I think that's done wonders for the general tone of the Trumpet Herald and has made the Reveille forum just about obsolete.
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[_Clarino]

The Religeon/Politics Forum has replaced Reveille. The sort of abuse that is thrown around in there would not have been acceptable in times past. People don't seem to realise that R/P Forum topics should remain as civilised as they do in all other forums. The Mods should be sending topics from R/P to Reveille if they become too acrimonious or get off topic. I wish they would. The R/P forum should be a place for CIVIL debate about religeous and political issues.

[BigBadWolf]

I agree. some of the topics should definately get moved into here. Maybe things could be a little more civil. More and more people are using the f*** type thing to get around actually using the real words.

Kevin

[Ali]

I see your points...
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[MilesD]

Revielle and now R/P are relics of the past. There's far to much personal attacks in both forums and most sane users have become tired of this nonsence. To be honest I couldn't care less if both Revielle and R/P dropped of the face of the earth
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[Clarino]

The Hiatus of Religious/Political debate here is just that. It will be back, whether the R/P forum remains closed or reopens. It is somewhat unavoidable.

With it will return the sort of people (currently, mercifully away from this site) who come here only to be offensive. For that reason we need Reveille, and more active moderation in R/P so that when members become offensive in R/P their topics will be moved to Reveille.


I keep asking for this to happen in the hope that Todd will take notice and change his policy about R/P. We can have civilised R/P debates, but only if we want them enough.

[Don Herman rev2]

The topic is being discussed. Unfortunately, more active moderation in R/P means a LOT more work... - Don
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[Clarino]

Perhaps one person could be convinced to keep an eye on the forum, without posting there? I realise it would mean one guy would be lumbered with a heavy workload, but I think that the forum would calm down if a strict policy were introduced. Reveille would become a sort of "steel cage" and R/P would become a lot more civilised.




Hell, I'll even volunteer to be the dedicated moderator (and forgo the privilege of posting my opinions in R/P) if there are no others willing to take on the burden.

[trumpet356]

[Clarino]

[trumpet356]

[Don Herman rev2]

This thread is rapidly becoming a viable indication of why R/P was shut down. I suspect (the topic is still being discussed) that if R/P opens again, it will have more active moderation, or at least a much quicker "pull" rate for UA violations.

I suppose just letting things lie without angry retorts and leaving each other alone is totally out of the question...
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[trumpet356]

[Ohanapecosh]

I have challenged T356 in public and private about the "tone" of his post but in this case his post has merit. Even with the most recent (R&P) thread that was removed, it seems that his argument was well stated and not attacking in nature unlike some responses. If moderating can not happen without some sense of objectivity, R&P should remain closed.

[rafterman]

[trumpet356]

[Don Herman rev2]

The following are my own opinions and should be taken as such. Hopefully this will clarify my position -- I have better things to do. This is primarily directed at trumpet356's complaints about TH moderation.

1. There is a group of Moderators that review posts and act together. Something I find offensive, others might not, or not enough to pull. There is some flexibility built into the system, and thus some level of subjectiveness, a degree of violation. I suspect a huge number of posts would be gone if we strictly followed the UA every time; that's also why there is some subjectivity built into the UA. (I suppose now you'll go and find, and quote here, all the absolutes in the UA you can find. So be it -- the reality is, moderation requires a balance of subjective and objective valuations.) So, my being "jittery" does not alone a post get pulled. We don't act alone; time is spent in reaching a consensus, often with Todd, about the proper course of action. For what it's worth, I spend (spent) very little time in R/P anyway -- not my cup of tea.

2. If you never seen the rules applied, perhaps you have not observed any of the hundreds of threads modified or removed, some to be cleaned up and replaced, some simply removed for good. Perhaps you should glance around the rest of TH now and then; there's more than just R/P. There are even some trumpet-related threads here and there that may be interesting.

3. I suspect you could find plenty of places where "getting their clock cleaned" did not cause a thread to pulled or post modified. When angry words are written and the argument degenerates into a flame-fest, that's when action is taken.

4. There is a finite group of moderators with finite time. There are many thousands of threads (41,573 at the moment) and over 12,000 users. So we don't catch everything. We all have very busy lives outside TH and, despite the hours spent daily, that's a lot of "kids" to deal with. When trying to balance finite resources to perform a nearly infinite set of tasks, it's sometimes best to pick and choose wisely. R/P is not trumpet-related, and the amount of time spent there is disproportionate to it's value to the site as a whole. I do not think you realize just how much time is spent keeping TH running smoothly. Much of it is behind the scenes.

5. There is a wide range of idealogies among moderators, intentionally so. We get blasted routinely by one side or the other, in roughly equal amounts, which says to me we're about as balanced as practical. In fact, I can not recall a thread pulled for political reasons -- that is not one of the criteria. Whatever you might think.

6. I'd love to have some students read this site, but R/P is an impediment. We have had people leave because of it, and parents send notes about it. It is just not a good subject area for a trumpet forum, as the subject matter will almost inevitably lead to strong arguments and stronger words.

Fact is, the effort required to moderate R/P just hasn't been worth it. This is a huge site and we have plenty to do elsewhere, on and off TH. We do, and continue to do, despite how little you may feel we do, try to keep TH running smoothly. Personally, I'd rather spend my time in the trumpet area of the Trumpet Herald. I don't think Todd's vision, and our time, are served by R/P. You are welcome to start a Political Herald site.

Yeesh - Don
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