Notable Performances on 7C or smaller mouthpieces?

ScottA · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:06 am Post subject:

Thanks for all of the input and also for not letting this devolve into a bigger/smaller is better issue! Obviously very good players have been successful on mouthpieces of all sizes.

I may not have been clear in my OP however. What I am looking for are PARTICULAR performances/recordings that you really love that I can use in a compilation.
Based on this list these come to mind at this point:
Herseth/Kubliek- Pictures
Conrad Gozzo- Trumpeter's Prayer
Timofei Dokschitzer - Concert Etude (or many others!)

I would love a Warren Luening example...I thought I had a big band thing he did shortly before he passed.."Emily" maybe..but can't find it. I did find a nice soundtrack from "The River" featuring him.

I have some others that are favorites but I was hoping to find some new examples that i was not familiar with. It seems that many of the non-trumpet players have in mind that you can't get a nice big, lyrical sound on a 7C or smaller so I want examples to send their way.

Thanks again.
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GordonH · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:22 am Post subject:

Presumably the Al Hirt Haydn Concerto recording was done on a shallow mouthpiece. It sounds like his normal sound.
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Tpt_Guy · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:36 am Post subject:

Barry Manilow album Singin' with the Big Bands. Even if you don't like his singing, he has some phenomenal musicians behind him, with Warren Leuning playing the solos in I Can't Get Started and And The Angels Sing.
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ScottA · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:44 am Post subject:

I'm not a huge fan of Manilow's voice but he has done some nice work. I really like the Paradise Cafe recording with Gerry Mulligan, Sarah Vaughn, Mel Torme...very well done overall.

I will check out the big band Cd...not familiar with it.
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TKSop · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:03 am Post subject:

Tpt_Guy · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:11 am Post subject:

I should have mentioned that Dokshizer also recorded extensively, so you should be able to find a lot more than just Concert Etude.

On a quick search I found a lot of smaller works, but also a major work he recorded, the Arutunian Concerto. All the kids auditioning for honor bands should have to listen to it, since it's a piece often called for.
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bach_again · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:14 am Post subject:

dr_trumpet · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:06 pm Post subject:

One trumpet mouthpiece does not fit all, just as one anything does not fit all. Look at the responses on this list, and then consider what they are playing. Players with 7C or smaller mouthpieces are (for the most part) playing a great deal of high music, or in a group that plays a lot. That kind of playing, in both instances, is rarely done by most on here. If you have a full time brass quintet gig that tours 200 nights a year, a smaller mouthpiece with a slightly wider rim makes a ton of sense as it allows you to relax, to become efficient with your set-up, and to work at NOT working to play what you need to play.

An orchestral player generally plays less, in short bursts of high energy, and does so with the requirement to blend first, lead second, and solo last. Tone and intonation are very emphasized factors of orchestral playing. Power and brilliance at the right moment for sure, but blend, focus and intonation are far more important.

Those two considerations set, consider your own playing. If you play a lot of quintet work and are doing things in the same technical and endurance demands as the Canadian Brass, playing it all on a Bach 1 with a 23 throat and 87 backbore is ridiculous. Something smaller, more efficient, and that still allows you to play with a focused, high quality sound is essential. Something with a smaller diameter, larger rim width should allow you to do all of these things.

IF you solo a lot with orchestras and groups, a mouthpiece that is most beneficial will be the one that allows a crystal clear, focused sound with great beauty. Again, a huge mouthpiece just adds to the work.

Playing lead in a big band is another sitation where a Bach 1C is generally far too large, and would require an incredible amount of work to achieve. Smaller mouthpieces can aid endurance, stamina, and the creation of a constant, projecting sound. Again, the right tool is essential.

Finally, a orchestral player who comes to rehearsal with a 13A4a might struggle to create the depth of tone and resonance that a larger mouthpiece could assist. Blend first, lead second, solo last in an orchestra. If you make those your goals, you will succeed. If you think that 90% of orchestral playing is a Strauss Tone Poem or Mahler Symphony every week, well...it simply isn't true. For most orchestras, the repertoire is far more Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven, perhaps Brahms. Most have solo moments, but rarely are there long periods where the brasses lead. Better to be in tune, balance with the orchestra, and solo only where required.

Probably too much, and not designed for a war starter. Rather, group the names mentioned in this thread by their standard genre, and the answers are pretty clear.

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ScottA · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:39 pm Post subject:

Please keep in mind this post was started because middle and high school students who were quite happy and successful on their 7C mouthpieces are being told to get something bigger just because they shouldn't "still" be playing on a 7C.
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dr_trumpet · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:43 pm Post subject:

Richard III · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:04 pm Post subject:

H. n. White's website has links to data from the thirties and forties and all mouthpieces were the same diameter.
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qcm · Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:31 am Post subject:

fabiopereirabr · Regular Member Joined: 21 Jul 2012 Posts: 58

maybe freddie can give them some good advice..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VN8zH366M8
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maybe freddie can give them some good advice..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VN8zH366M8

Hubbard used a Bach "6"...no letter...piece.

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dershem · Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:10 pm Post subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JevtL7pYRb8

Mic played on a 'piece much smaller than a 7C. He had one of the biggest sounds I have ever encountered. His cornet 'piece is about the diameter of a Bach 10 1/2, but with a different internal shape.

Betelgeuse215 · Veteran Member Joined: 20 May 2015 Posts: 186

Didn't Don Cherry used to use a 20C?

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I believe Eddie Henderson used to play a 7C during his days with Herbie Hancock and his solo stuff on Capricorn and Blue Note-don't know if he still does though.
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