Blue Juice

jgadvert · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:30 am Post subject:

Just thought I'd share this. After trying the usual Al Cass and Holton oils on my Callet Jazz
with valve sticking problems, finally tried Blue Juice and it works very well. Same price as the Al Cass with better results. Anyone try this stuff? It's usually in most well stocked music stores.

Kenman · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:55 am Post subject:

I've used blue juice before.. it works great as long as you don't play outside in the cold.. I do quintet work at Christmas time at six flags.. I couldn't use it at all.

I did find another one that works real well.. Zaja oil..

good luck
Ken

_Don Herman · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:07 am Post subject:

My teacher (Principal Symphony player) loves Blue Juice. Flip ships a bottle with his horns (WT, etc.) I use it some, but don't care for it. It is fast, perhaps one of the few faster than Cass, and includes cleaning agents to help the horn, but for me the smell is too strong (allergies, don'tcha know) and it doesn't last long at all. It seems to do better on Mellow Yellow, my Wild Flugelhorn, with its very tight (fast, short-stroke) valves than it did on my other horns (WT, NTC, picc). I'm still using it on MYF.

Overall, I prefer Zaja for general use. As fast as Cass, much longer lasting, and all kinds of scents (not "flavors", that'd be food). I use Binak on my WT and NTC. It lasts a long, long time, but a bit more care is required in use. It is not petroleum based (no carcinogens), helps protect the horn by bonding with the metal and repelling water, etc.

FWIW - Don
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jgadvert · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:21 am Post subject:

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jgadvert · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:22 am Post subject:

Don:

Actually, I think Blue Juice tastes much better than Al cass. Have it on my corn flakes in the morning(ha ha).

I know....I know...Zaja.. Never find it in stores
By the way, I really appreciated your noting your teachers credentials before expressing his opinion.

cgooding · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:53 am Post subject:

Personally, I find Blue Juice has much too strong of an odor to use on my horns. I have also found that is seems to wind up all over my horn instead of on the valves where it belongs.
I love Al Cass and Zaja. Just wish I could find something that lasts as long as Zaja and is as fast as Al Cass.
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trptmaster · Veteran Member Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 146

I can not stand blue juice. I used it for a couple of months on my Bb and C and all it did was gum up the valves with a greenish film around the ports and clog everything up. I know others who have had problems with this oil. BTW I cleaned the trumpets beforeing putting it on. in my opinion you had might as well squirt elmers glue with some egg nog mixedin on your valves. After trying about everything on the market I always find myself back at al cass

stay tight

trptmaster

Moser · New Member Joined: 15 Jan 2002 Posts: 2

ive used blue juice before and i really like it
i find that i dont have to oil my valves as frequently as i used to.

Emb_Enh · Veteran Member Joined: 29 Oct 2002 Posts: 455

...the age/wear of the valves is a big deciding factor in which oil (viscosity) is suitable.

just a thought!

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jgadvert · Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2002 10:14 am Post subject:

Tprtmaster:

Given your poor review of Blue Juice, I was wondering what kind of horn you used it on.
Which oil do you like then?

Guess every answer is relative to certain factors such as age of the horn, tight valves etc... For example, I have used the Holton oil and give it the same review you gave to Blue Juice. I've only been able to use Holton oil successfully on student horns(or anything else without precision tight valves.

kenny dorham is an animal · Veteran Member Joined: 15 Jan 2002 Posts: 133

blue juice is not bad, only you need to apply it very frequently, so far i like alisyn synthetic the best. I am yet to try zaja, and i want to try bills best valve oil. I have also heard good things about pro oil's hybrid
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tomterriff · Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:36 pm Post subject:

I got a bottle of Blue Juice shipped with my Blackburn and found it a marked improvement over Al Cass (which had gummed up on my Schillke B5.) I cleaned out all my horns and switched them all over to Blue Juice and it works well on all of them. I bought a few 2 oz bottles and then refill them from an 8 oz bottle from The Brasswind. That way I get the best for less than just about any oil available.

Keep 'em slippery, Tom

Lawler Bb · Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:58 pm Post subject:

I used to use Al Cass on my Lawler, but it made the valves stick enough to warrant oiling at least once a day if not 2 or 3 times a day. I now use Blue Juice and it works much better. Al Cass does seem to work fine on my Bach C though. I will probably switch the Bach over to Blue Juice when the Cass runs out. It seems the Blue Juice is at least as fast as the Al Cass, for me anyway.

trptmaster · Veteran Member Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 146

jgadvert I used it on Bach Bb and C Schilke Pic and Eb. I had awful results with it especially on my Bb. I have heard that this oil reacts poorly to certan PH or what ever it is in some peoples spit. That must have been the case with me. All Cass leaves no build up on my valves but I do have to oil them fairly frequently. beats having to clean the whole damn trumpet like its a sewer like with the BJ.

SHS_Trumpet · Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2002 8:26 pm Post subject:

Forget Blue Juice and Al Cass (Zaja's only excluded cause it smells neat!) Buy yourself a bottle of Binak 495. I noticed a pattern, the products with a name you think is goofy or stupid is usually a good product. I.E. the Wild Thing. Just because it's sounds like a breath freshener doesn't mean it doesn't work. Give it a try, it's the best oil I have ever used.
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gruvertpt · Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:06 pm Post subject:

I just switched to Blue Juice from Al Cass and have found it to be very long lasting and very fast!
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mheffernen5 · Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 5:17 pm Post subject:

OK Blue Juice is actually good oil in my opinion because I haven't had any trouble with it yet

Mlockman · Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:47 pm Post subject:

Anyone know who or where Blue Juice was developed? My old teacher used to get it by the quart back in the late 60"s.

BTW it is the only oil I have used for close to 30 years.
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Pete · Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:45 am Post subject:

I use it without problems.

Pete

Trptbenge · Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:19 am Post subject:

I use Blue Juice when I have close tolerances or the valves have been giving me some problems. I have always had good results with it. I like Hetman Synthetic valve oil. It last a long time and can mix with other valve oils and not cause an adverse reaction.

I was told by a Kanstul dealer that Kanstul does not use Al Cass because of a buildup (sort of wax like) it leaves on the valves. Another oil that I really like is Zaja - both the scented & the Blue. The Blue is very fast and works well with tighter tolerances.

Binak? I always hoped it would be the answer. But I know several players who have tried it and hated it. Even when I followed Nanettes recommendation it just didn't work well. The valves were slower. When the new professional Binak came out I tried it and it was worse. When you combine this with the problem of being asked during rehearsal to borrow valve oil and trying to explain that your valve oil will not mix with theirs. It isn't worth the hassle.

Mike

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