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LittleRusty
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| Thinking about your post a little more I find it very disturbing that you are willing to let our young "gain information, experience and wisdom" but go to such lengths to protect an adult who should "gain information, experience and wisdom" from his inappropriately sharing his own private information. |
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slide911
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Rusty
You would be surprised how smart young people are.
They can take care of themselves.
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slide911
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Rusty,
This is what I was reacting to:
"Just plain lying to us. I mean, if you're going to defend someone's right to free speech, it seems to me that the underlying assumption is that someone is sharing their honest convictions. What about defending just a bunch of lies? I use as an example his babbling about his great flying carreer found in another thread. How he supervised his plane being loaded to perfection, working to haul packages in the horrid Michigan weather he was subjected to, and his realization that there were greener pastures and higher pay elsewhere. Well, turns out pilot license information is public record. A quick lookup shows that John only had a private pilot's license. No commercial (can't be paid), No instrument rating (can't fly in bad weather). (This was double checked by two other THer's who confirmed the findings and ran a control of friends who had additional ratings) Now getting ANY pilot's license is pretty cool. But to make up this huge story to justify your assertion on the package handling industry is just fraud. It's an insult to everyone you're presenting your arguments to, since you base your expertise on a lie."
This is not Capt Kirk's inappropriate sharing of his own private information. This is someone proactively going out to investigate a person's private information.
How would you feel if I decided that your post to me was aggressive enough for me to check into your background: your license to drive a vehicle, where you live, your name, your address.
If Capt Kirk wants to post this info himself, I have no problem.
If someone wants to post it for him, yes...i have find it an incredible invasion of privacy. The fact that you are having trouble seeing that doesn't surprise me. In fact it is the very reason I am posting this in the first place.
Honestly: do you really believe that posting this info saved anyone from destroying their trumpet?
What this really was in my opinion: someone so incensed by what he said that they were willing to take time out of their day, research it, and post... for no other reason than spite. This wasn't posted to protect some kid. This was posted because of someone's justification that what they were doing was right and to rub the captains nose in it. pure and simple.
Anyway it seems that way to me and I have no beef with you.
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Crazy Finn
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| slide911 wrote: | | If someone wants to post it for him, yes...i have find it an incredible invasion of privacy. The fact that you are having trouble seeing that doesn't surprise me. In fact it is the very reason I am posting this in the first place. |
I agree with you on this.
| slide911 wrote: | | Honestly: do you really believe that posting this info saved anyone from destroying their trumpet? |
If some person destroys their trumpet from reading Kirk's posts, that confirms their level of competence and intelligence. In that case, they'd probably find a way to destroy their instrument regardless.
Protecting idiots from themselves is tireless, thankless work and quite often futile.
| Don Lee wrote: | | And more importantly, can someone such as DQ simply ignore lies that are being posted? If I owned a small business in this economy, would I be forced to read all of the Capt.'s posts (over 4.5 per day) so I could protect my reputation against his persistent untruths? |
| LittleRusty wrote: | | The problem with expecting people to ignore is that it just isn't human nature. Also as pointed out above some people need to jealously guard their reputation and therefore must read and comment. |
Here's my take on this. Why bother?
It's clear that this guy is a troll. You don't need vast powers of deduction to arrive at that viewpoint. There's absolutely no need to protect your reputation from a guy like him.
It's like if someone like Edison or Einstein was worried when some illiterate country bumpkin called their ideas bogus. Do you think they would have cared? Of course not.
Honestly, I've seen the things that Kirk has said about DQ, Charlier Melk, and Getzen and other people (thanks to people quoting them or mentioning them). Are you really worried about "slander" from a lone crackpot? Seriously, I don't think anyone else takes those posts seriously - as in gives them any credence at all. I certainly don't, and I don't think the vast majority of folks that read TH do either.
In short - fear not, your reputations are safe from the likes of him.
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LittleRusty
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Slide911,
You just proved my point. The failure was Kirk derailing the thread by adding a personal anecdote. An inappropriate sharing of private information.
If you look at the perfectly normal response, there is nothing in that post that isn't public information. Otherwise the poster wouldn't have had access. 
There is a big difference between the threat of your looking up information that is totally unrelated, since I never made a claim about having a drivers license, and taking a public statement and testing the veracity.
Proving that the poster at best stretches the truth will indeed help one to make a decision on whether to try out some of the dubious ideas, so yes, I honestly believe we have a moral imperative to continue.
Now if I did agree with your premise I would also state that quoting the post that so offends you is also wrong, perhaps even more so. |
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slide911
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Don Lee
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | In short - fear not, your reputations are safe from the likes of him. |
If I were the one being impugned, that would be of small consolation to me.
Or, as long as it doesn't cause quantifiable proven harm then it's ok? No harm, no foul? |
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LittleRusty
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| slide911 wrote: | Rusty,
As someone who has worked in the online industry for 15 years, I can tell you there is almost nothing that isn't "public information" with the right tools.
But your response has convinced me that a forum that takes such a cavalier attitude towards online privacy and is so easy to justify this type of behavior is not a site I feel good (or safe) posting in.
consider this my last post on this forum. |
I am sorry that you don't wish to continue this discussion and i wish you luck in finding somewhere where everyone agrees.
I personally don't have a cavalier attitude, I simply disagree with your premises. I don't post my private information unnecessarily. And unlike you I do not post other's information. (perhaps you should consider removing the quoted alleged private information from one of your earlier responses?)
BTW, I have worked in the industry for a long time too. Much more than 15 years. |
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slide911
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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"And unlike you I do not post other's information. (perhaps you should consider removing the quoted alleged private information from one of your earlier responses?) "
I have responded to this piece of crap privately to Rusty.
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LittleRusty
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Edited to remove a post which offended Slide911.
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slide911
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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I don't take kindly to be called a hypocrite when I was only responding to the your request to post what was upsetting me.
I have deleted my last response which was done in anger.
No one is immune from trollish behavior, which I think you show quite clearly, so i apologize to those who read my last response before I deleted it.
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LittleRusty
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Not a troll. Just someone with a differing opinion. |
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slide911
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Actually Rusty, whether either of us is a troll is not for us to decide. It is for the individual members of this forum to decide.
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A.N.A.Mendez
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slide911
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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always love you eating popcorn, my friend.
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A.N.A.Mendez
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Thanks, maybe it's time to think about
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LittleRusty
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| slide911 wrote: | | Actually Rusty, whether either of us is a troll is not for us to decide. It is for the individual members of this forum to decide. |
Agreed. I don't consider you a troll, just someone who is passionate about their position.
Mendez, please pass the popcorn. |
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slide911
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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"Thanks, maybe it's time to think about "
No, the bunny is good,
but when I think of you I think of that garage of incredible horns you have in ...(information I possess but would never reveal)
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| slide911 wrote: | "Thanks, maybe it's time to think about "
No, the bunny is good,
but when I think of you I think of that garage of incredible horns you have in ...(information I possess but would never reveal)
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That he has too many Olds and not enough Bueschers?
I'd hide that knowledge too.
Tom
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