Trolls - Thoughts and Discussion

slide911 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 894

"I kind of agree with you about the private life business, except I think once a few personal bits are out there, usually the "anonymous poster hiding behind a fake name talking bad about everyone else," cleans his act up. Unfortunately with (deleted because I find it abominable that anyone would post someone's personal information without their permission) , it has no effect! "

Really. So where does that stop. Let's see...if someone gives bad advice on a public online forum it is okay to:
1. Publish his name and address
2. Dig into his personal records to see if there is something there I can embarrass the person with.
3. publish his home telephone number? why not.
4. maybe park in front of his house? see where his kids go to school? find out the name of his employer, maybe the name of his boss.

This guy told you he is a german Jew, is that correct. No reason that I can see he would take offense in any of that, I'm sure.

What is wrong with you people? I find this MUCH more offensive than anything the Captain has said. If it was my forum, publishing any personal information about someone without their consent would mean a lifetime ban..

But its not my forum, so I just ignore it.
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Crazy Finn · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:14 pm Post subject:

DavesTrumpet · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:23 pm Post subject:

slide911 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 894

In his post he said he is a practicing Catholic and a German Jew. I can post the link if you want, but since his post was directed at you, I assumed you read it.

Did you really say it is okay to post what he puts on his Facebook page? Did he post that info here himself, and what the hell makes it right for YOU to go to his facebook and myspace page and post the information there - here. Was his pilot license info there as well (yes, I know you didn't personally put that up, but someone did).

You guys are creeping me out.

Jeez...

Can I hit the Ignore button on you now Dave?
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DavesTrumpet · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:33 pm Post subject:

slide911 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 894

so I just checked. I don't see his facebook page or his myspace page listed in his profile. I also did a search to see if he even mentioned the pages anywhere or provided a link.

No, nada, nothing.

Maybe he posted it and deleted it. Maybe he posted it in his profile and took it down when it was used against him to provide personal information to a group of strangers.

Or maybe someone is stalking him and posting that information.

Either way, it is wrong, wrong, wrong.
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DavesTrumpet · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:55 pm Post subject:

DavesTrumpet · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: facebook and myspace

Don Lee · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:00 pm Post subject:

slide911 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 894

If you read THIS thread you will see were someone went into his pilot license record and posted it here. I am a member of Facebook and the information I post there is private. Facebook is not a public social site unless you put up a fan page or don't know enought to change your permissions.

YOU may not know that Facebook changed their privacy settings and unless you made some changes to your settings, your private information is public.

and the point is, he didn't post it here, you did. You don't like my tone, I have problem with that.
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DavesTrumpet · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:05 pm Post subject:

DavesTrumpet · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject:

slide911 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 894

As I was telling Don privately,

I am VERY aware of the disruption caused by people like this. I have gotten sucked in to similar discussions more times than I like to admit. I am totally aware of how frustrating this guy is, how annoying, how it drives you crazy that he doesn't listen to reason and is oblivious to any attempt to try and change the behavior. I understand all this perfectly: I've lived it. And I've been embarrassed by my own behavior in these situations when I get sucked in.

But I also know it is just bringing more frustration on yourself. I don't know what makes people like this tick. I just know that they tick on and on until it drives you crazy.

The danger, and it is a danger, is to use that frustration to justify unseemly behavior: "this guy had it coming" kind of thing. And when that happens, almost anything seems fair game.

There are a lot of crazy people out there. Publishing personal information, regardless of how justified it seems, regardless of where you got it from, can just backfire and no matter how big a dope you are dealing with, just shouldn't be on the table. Too much risk of abuse and identity theft. One person publishes something from a Facebook page that hasn't been button down, another goes into the personal records of someone to use against them, and it snowballs from there. I've seen it happen. I've seen it get ugly. It is just not worth it and it brings you down to their level.

so if I sounded a bit testy, now you know why. Sorry if I offended you Dave, but as someone who has been involved with online privacy matters, it is an important subject to me.
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LittleRusty · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject:

Slide911,

I cannot resist, so please forgive...

How is that ignoring working for you?

The problem with expecting people to ignore is that it just isn't human nature. Also as pointed out above some people need to jealously guard their reputation and therefore must read and comment.

I understand your points on identity theft having had to deal with it once myself.

But if you are ignoring the posts in question you probably don't realize that there are personal annecdotes and details in the posts that people find annoying.

It is a natural next step to verify some of the details, especially when they conflict with an area where one is expert. Posting that the details are incorrect, and citing the authority that proves this, is also OK. In my opinion.

YMMV

slide911 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 894

Rusty,

I totally understand.

But no. I disagree. If an idiot wants to brag on an online forum that he has expertise he doesn't have... It is an online forum. That happens. When i have trouble with my trumpet i take it Josh Landress, i don't rely on any "expert" on an online forum. His claiming expertise he doesn't have gives no one the right to delve into his personal information and publish it publicly for any nut job to read.

In fact this is the very justification i was talking about.
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LittleRusty · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:24 pm Post subject:

Would that life were that simple. Have you considered that many on this site are young people who don't have the life experience you and I do?

That they may believe the inaccurate information, indeed may even do damage to their instruments?

There is a very simple solution to the privacy issues you are concerned about. I have personally given my children the same advice.

Assume anything you post online to be public.

In this case if the person we are discussing had not included the long winded off topic story about his flying experience no one would have had reason to find the publicly available information and post censored details.

Would I have done that? Probably not. Do I think it was inappropriate? Not in the form it was posted.

slide911 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 894

Rusty,

Would that we could protect all young people from making mistakes. But that is exactly how they gain information, experience and wisdom.

And yes you should assume that everything you do is public. For the very reason that one day you might piss off the wrong person who uses that against you. But i also hope you teach your children that publishing private information about someone without their knowledge or permission is never justified.
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LittleRusty · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject:

I do teach them that. And I protect my children and the naive on this site from fools. I don't expect them to have to learn from unnecessary mistakes.

In addition I have yet to see any private information posted associated with the pilot's license. You keep making that claim, but since the information was found in publicly accessible places there is no private information being posted.