eBay LA Olds Ambassador

[MFHorn13]

Anyone claim this one here???

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150496422585&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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[dr-pepp]

That is a pretty high price and I thought it had probably been relacquered until I took a good look at the case. The horn and the case both look like they never went out of the house which would make that a pretty rare find.
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Clay Collins
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also administrator of Olds Central
www.olds-central.com

[plp]

No idea if they still have it, but Capitol Music in Montgomery had a Fullerton NOS in the display case, 700 if I remember. If purchased from them, someone would become the original owner.
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[study888]

Hello. I looked for a serial#,did not see one. May have over looked it. I noticed the seller had the valves turned where you could not properly see the valve guides. Judging by the second valve,they look like single slot brass valve guides.

Making this Horn a Fullerton made, Olds Ambassador Horn and not a Olds L.A. made Ambassador horn. The best of those Olds L.A. Ambassador Trumpets had the square two point brass valve guides and were in the five serial # listing.

Looks to me like,somebody paid a pretty penny for a Olds Fullerton Ambassador Trumpet. The way that E-Bay seller wrote up his AD. You would think he would be selling off all his Pro-horns and keeping the Olds Ambassador.

I can think of a lot more, better playing Pro-grade used Horns, I could buy for that much money. AHHHHHHH the Olds Ambassador mystique continues.

I have owned five Olds Ambassador Trumpet/Cornets myself. Two five serial# L.A. Olds Ambassador Trumpets,(one was a parts horn)/One 1960's Olds Ambassador FullertonTrumpet. Two 1960's Fullerton Olds Ambassador Cornets.

I also got caught up with that going around idea, of modifying the L.A. Ambassador Trumpet with the lead pipe/brace changes. Like a Bach #25 lead pipe/Etc. I to was hoping to create me a Super Pro-horn with pennys on the dollar.

By the time I was getting around to have my Horn modifying thingie done. I started noticing a lot of these previous, already suped up modified L.A. and Fullerton Olds Ambassador Trumpets. For sale on these sites and E-Bay.

So I sold the whole lot off as parts Horns and bought me two nice playing 1938/1948 King Master Cornets/1976 King Golden Flair Trumpet.

If I had chosen Olds Recording models or Mendez. I am sure I would have liked them just as well. The very best of those,I feel have been bought up a good many years back. At much better prices.

I will still stand by (IMHO). That the Olds Ambassador line was a well made Student, Field Marching Brass Trumpet. That could take a lot of abuse from student - trumpet/cornet players. The L.A. five serial # ones with the double valve guides was the best made of the whole lot.

Hope I have not enrage any of the Olds Loyalist horn lovers. Not my intention at all. Just my personel thoughts and opinion.

If that buyer was expecting to get a Olds L.A. Olds Ambassador Trumpet. He may be sending that Olds Fullerton one back to the seller. Take care all.

[study888]

Hello MFHorn13. Click on the bidding list for this Olds horn. Notice the shill bidder with the 1***1(0) buyer pushing the bidding on the winning bidder U***(12).

The winning U***(12) e-Bay rookie is getting himself a good life lesson. I hope he really likes the Olds a lot. He paid enough for it.

When I see these (0) bidders start showing up. I usually never start bidding or stop. The only way to beat out a shill bidder is to know exactly how much you wish to pay. Bid and if you are over the shill bidder,bid your higest bid and wish it well.

Starting to see a lot of this from these Pawn Shop Music sells etc. Take care all.

[dr-pepp]

The single pin valve guides started around sn 100,000. I think I can read the sn on the warranty card as being 131xxx and this also looks like the number on the horn, so it that is correct, it would be an LA horn with single pin valve guides.
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Owner, Centex Brass
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also administrator of Olds Central
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[MFHorn13]

[connicalman]

The (0) win guy and (his?) many bids are one story, u***a (12) is another. We can only guess at both. My guess? The winner set a budget and then got what they wanted.

Look at the automatic bids. The winner didn't get strung along day by day, and especially not in the heat of the final minutes. Instead, u***a seems to have come in late with a single bid which proved to be a winner. Note that their earlier (hidden, automatic) tender was $490, as calculated by ebay. That amount is well under the selling price.

If indeed they became caught up in the excitement of a well-written ad or succumbed to the added catalyst of a shill in the crowd, at least they had the sense to bid once and -- win or lose -- let the chips fall where they may. I do wonder why they freed five and a half benjamins, but hey each to his own.
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[dr-pepp]

[study888]

Hello Dr-Pepp. You are 100% right. I stand corrected. We should never say something about a E-bay bidder/or Seller, unless we know for sure,our facts are 100% correct. Was up to late last night,was not thinking clearly as I am now.

I still do not get to thrilled, if all of a sudden see, a 0 Bidder pops up and starts bidding like crazy. But We all had to start out as a 0 bidder including Myself.

If I see something I really want. I do a lot of research etc. Look at average prices. Set myself a price, I am willing to pay, and can afford. Bid till I am higest,bid my maxium and forget about it. Till the Fat Lady sings.

Seems to be the safest approach. Good luck all.

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[mffan]

Well, the trumpet has a 131xxx serial per guarantee card and looks just like my LA, ser.128xxx, which are in the 1953 range. This one's lacquer is better, but mine has better than average, but i don't have the original case.
The comments on the excessive bidding and the florid ad wording are interesting.
I purchased mine at a deceased local trumpeter's estate sale, in combination with my Besson 2-20 for $175 total, given a bit of a break due to my evaluation of 40+ horns available. However the Olds was only tagged at $100 to start with and I feel I got a good deal either way on both horns.
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[RandyTX]

It's fairly amusing how stressed people get and how many responses are generated, all because somebody else bought an instrument for some particular price. You didn't buy it, you didn't sell it. I.e., it has nothing to do with you. If somebody paid too much, oh well. Just hope this guy doesn't wind up bidding for something you want, or odds are he'll bid it up a lot more than the 5 cents on the dollar you want to pay.
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[forrest]

I'm with most here - I don't care what it sold for because I'm not in the market for one. When I read this from dr-pepp:

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