Carmen

stukvalve · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:05 pm Post subject:

Hey everyone, what are you guys doing for the low F in Carmen? I am trying it two ways:

1) Pull out the 3rd valve slide extension and leave it and use alternate fingerings.

2) Leave the slide in, and take off one of the nuts so i can make the 3rd valve slide reach a little farther to get down fingering all 3 valves for that one note. im usually sharp this way on the low F.

What is eveyone doing? -Max-
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Nonsense Eliminator · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:26 pm Post subject:

stukvalve --

The way I do it is to take the nuts off the slide and start with it out all the way. I play using the alternate fingering until the low F. (You can use a little first slide if the F is too high.) During the quarter rest that follows, I bring the slide in and play the rest of the excerpt with normal fingerings. I find I can play it in tune this way, and without giving myself a headache trying to figure out what buttons to push.

Mzony · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:34 pm Post subject:

I kind of use a hybird approach. On my Bb trumpet I have a part added to the bottom tube of the third valve tube that catches the third valve slide at its farthest possible position. Granted, I have small hands, but I just kind of throw the slide out and use the first valve slide a little bit. The rest gives me plenty of time to bring the slide back in and finish the excerpt. I just have found that if you could put something on the Bb horn that allows you to throw the slide as far out as you can (like on a C trumpet) you can gain easy access to the low F. Hope that helps.

Mike

mafields627 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:37 pm Post subject:

At one point, someone was selling a little gizmo online that was an extended stop rod that was set to low F so you could sling the slide out to the correct length without worrying. They were about $15. You might also try playing it 1-2.

MrClean · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 6:03 am Post subject:

Goodbye.

Nonsense Eliminator · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 6:45 am Post subject:

On the subject of gizmos, you can find things a lot cheaper that $15 at the hardware store. You can probably find a bolt the right size for more like 15 cents, and a nylon-insert locknut for a few cents more. Also, there is some piece of toilet hardware (a stop rod assembly or something like that) which costs about $2. Then there's the old standby, a piece of coat hanger with a bend on the end. On the other end of the scale, some people have extra-long water slides (sorry, don't know what else to call that thing!) made to lengthen the third valve. I've been wondering if perhaps the best thing to do might be to get my repairman to put a stopper on my third slide like the one on my C trumpet.

I've heard of people making their horns into A trumpets for this lick, too, although doing this in front of a committee with the screen down may or may not be a good idea. I also seem to recall that somebody famous then took the additional step of playing the missing note, which (if memory serves) is a low F on A trumpet. I think that this excerpt is one that excites a lot of attention for auditions, but completely fails to be a big deal in performance. It's doubled in the horns anyway, so I think most people just kind of fake it and try to stay out of the way. Not a recommended tactic at auditions, of course...

MrClean · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 7:09 am Post subject:

Goodbye.

Nonsense Eliminator · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 7:32 am Post subject:

Mr. Clean --

Agreed.

I would, however, contend that it's something you want to consider before the audition and be at peace with yourself about.

MrClean · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:06 am Post subject:

Goodbye.

tromba mann · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 11:17 am Post subject:

If there were more licks like this, someone might make a 4-valve Bb - which come to think of it seems pretty cool!

Don't tell me...some obscure or now-defunct maker already makes/has made a 4-valve Big Bb.

Nonsense Eliminator · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 11:23 am Post subject:

Actually, a former teacher of mine had a Monke 4-valve C trumpet (with piston valves).

Forte · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 12:05 pm Post subject:

toohi2here · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 4:59 pm Post subject:

Nonsense,

Your replies are just nonsense, and not eliminating anything. Don't confuse everyone with your pretty rediculous ideas, especailly the one with the 4 valved trumpet. Who ever goes out to buy a 4 valved german trumpet to play an excerpt is rediculous.

Here's the answer. Just pull your tuning slide out all the way and play the excerpt as written. You'll have to get the pitch right, but that is the way to go. Don't listen to the nonsense nonsense eliminator is giving.
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_swthiel · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 6:10 pm Post subject:

I think I hear the Troll-O-Meter sounding ...
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toohi2here · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 7:11 pm Post subject:

Troll-O-meter??????

trumpetnerd7 · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:01 pm Post subject:

what are the possible alternate fingerings for this?

-scott cook

Nonsense Eliminator · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 12:22 pm Post subject:

I'm not sure I understand your question, Scott. (And the lack of responses seems to indicate I'm not alone...

)

toohi2here · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 8:20 pm Post subject:

I mean hell, I could give you alternate fingerings on every note... Is that what you want??
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MrClean · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 8:41 pm Post subject:

Goodbye.

greedo · Veteran Member Joined: 10 Jul 2002 Posts: 118

Hey Mr. Clean,
I tried the A trumpet thing. It totally kicks ass. I don't know why it had never ocurred to me before. It seems like the notes centered better. Before I had used false fingerings, and getting the lower notes was not so much a problem, but it was difficult for me to get clean starts on those notes. But with the whole trumpet in A, I guess it puts all the notes in equal relation to each other, and easier to center. I don't know, but it works. Now, if I can just remember where to put my tuning slide each time. Thanks for the knowledge. As a side note, and this may be the wrong forum, but we just recently played the Schoenberg Paeleus and Melisande tone poem. Cool piece. I was in Houston at the time you guys played and recorded it, and love the recording by the way. I was wondering if you had any stories about that piece, or recording with Eschenbach, ect?? Just wondering....

Michael