Dishonest Ebayer

PacoTheTrumpeter · Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:47 pm Post subject: Dishonest Ebayer

Hello all,

I recently purchased a Kanstul 1600 on Ebay, described as in perfect working condition and dent free, with some very flattering photographs in the listing. It arrived with an obvious dent that had been strategically unphotographed, significant warping of the bell between the valve block and bell flare, and nearly frozen first valve slide and sluggish third valve slide. I contacted the seller about a partial refund of $100 to repair these problems, and he attempted to negotiate, offering $50. I reluctantly offered him a chance to make it right for $65 to which he didn't respond, and finally he sent me a taunting message saying he had quit playing trumpet and wouldn't be selling any more on Ebay. I have not received a check or PayPal payment from him, and in the interest of protecting others from any possible future con artistry on his part, I am listing his name. His Ebay name is mflory, and his full name is Michael Flory. I think he has behaved unethically and dishonorably, and I caution my fellow Ebayers and trumpet players to beware.

forrest · Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:28 am Post subject:

Just file it with PayPal. He may not have funds in his account now, but maybe, someday, he'll sell something else on the 'Bay.

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lmf · Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:44 am Post subject:

Why even deal with the seller and his plans not to play trumpet again or sell on Ebay in the future? Do you trust his integrity from the email he sent to you? Why let him intimidate or dismiss you?

Just file with PayPal now while you can and be done with it.

Best wishes,

Lloyd

PiCK Kanstul · Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:21 am Post subject:

Mikeytrpt · Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:35 am Post subject:

ohiotpt · Heavyweight Member Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 988

Just as a note on repairs, last time I spoke with Charles in regards to getting 1600 repaired...a huge part of the cost was removing the brushed lacquer and redoing it as part of the repair job (note they never saw the acutal horn). I believe that was $250 +/-.

For what it's worth he's still selling stuff, so his paypal account can be held, at least for a small amount. If you used a credit card, that's another area where a hold can be placed.
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Andy Del · Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject:

Tip - 1. never buy a horn that has 'photogenic' images. Go for thes that show the horn fair and square - front, back top bottom, etc.

2. If it's too good to be true for a price, then it is.

Another quality eBayer is one Jake Bloss, who goes under the tag 'jake3335jake'.

He auctioned a Jupiter 1602 - but it was one of those student Carnegie 60 models. In perfect condition - dirty and stuck, dented with lacquer missing. He denied everything, maintined the rage of innocence, until ebay ordered a refund, including my return shipping - thanks eBay!

You get dishonest shonks everywhere.
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etc-etc · Heavyweight Member Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 6193

Could you post some photos substantiating the damage to the bell and the dent?