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desmo Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:44 am Post subject: Chet Baker, what trumpet use for The last great concert |
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Hi all,
any idea of what trumpet use Chet Baker for record the double album: The last great concert?
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Karel Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:42 am Post subject: |
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I guess you mean the concert in Tokyo? As far as I know Chet played a Bach Stradivarius trumpet on that concert. |
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desmo Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:49 am Post subject: . |
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no, I mean the album called:
The Last great concert: my favourite songs 1 & 2
anyway which model of bach stradivarus? 37- 72? or what?
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A.N.A.Mendez Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Love that CD..... _________________ "There is no necessity for deadly strife" A. Lincoln 1860
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lipshurt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:53 am Post subject: |
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I think its a bach 37 with a 7c mouthpiece.
Maybe the best concert ever?
Noteworthy is that he is using an elwctrovoice RE20 pointing down at the edge of his bell at a 45 degree angle and about 8 inches or less away. That is BIG part of chets recorded sound.
Same setup he used in the sessions for the bruce webber film.
Live in tokyo is good too but is not quite 100 percent for the whole concert like he is on the last concert. The encore with just chet and piano is out of this world.
He got that sound on every horn you know. He also sounded great on the 38b on the CTI label
Had a great sound on the old buescher too.
In the movie there is a scene where he warms up on a rooftop and he sounds awesome doing long tones. _________________ Mouthpiece Maker
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maynard-46 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:58 am Post subject: Chet Baker, what trumpet use for The last great concert |
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I had a talk with Chet's son 4-5 years ago who has the trumpet that he recorded that album on. It was a standard Bach Large bore with a #25 bell. The mouthpiece he was using was either a 10 1/2 CW oe EW...don't remember which. To MY knowledge Chet NEVER used a 37 bell Bach nor a 7C mouthpiece. In the '50's when he was playing his Martin Committee he always used a Bach 6B piece. He used that until his comeback in '68 or so and then switched to a Bach 6C to help his upper range. He used that with his Conn 38B and a couple of the other lesser known brands...whatever he could get his hands on...i.e. borrow! By the time he got the large bore Bach he was already on the 10 1/2 CW/EW. BTW...I love his playing...and the album you are referring to is one of my favorites along with the "Live in Tokyo". IMO, though, I feel he did his best playing on the Conn 38B (which was his favorite as well)...as long as he was "straight" and NOT toasted...as he often was on those albums made in Sweden on Steeplechase!!!! Hope this helps!
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desmo Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Chet Baker, what trumpet use for The last great concert |
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maynard-46 wrote: | OP
I had a talk with Chet's son 4-5 years ago who has the trumpet that he recorded that album on. It was a standard Bach Large bore with a #25 bell. The mouthpiece he was using was either a 10 1/2 CW oe EW...don't remember which. To MY knowledge Chet NEVER used a 37 bell Bach nor a 7C mouthpiece. In the '50's when he was playing his Martin Committee he always used a Bach 6B piece. He used that until his comeback in '68 or so and then switched to a Bach 6C to help his upper range. He used that with his Conn 38B and a couple of the other lesser known brands...whatever he could get his hands on...i.e. borrow! By the time he got the large bore Bach he was already on the 10 1/2 CW/EW. BTW...I love his playing...and the album you are referring to is one of my favorites along with the "Live in Tokyo". IMO, though, I feel he did his best playing on the Conn 38B (which was his favorite as well)...as long as he was "straight" and NOT toasted...as he often was on those albums made in Sweden on Steeplechase!!!! Hope this helps!
Butch |
thanks a lot. I suppose that it was a large bore but I never think about 25 bell
very small mouthpiece too ... 10 1/2CW
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plankowner110 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Chet Baker, what trumpet use for The last great concert |
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maynard-46 wrote: | OP
....IMO, though, I feel he did his best playing on the Conn 38B (which was his favorite as well)...
Butch |
There was a feature article about Chet Baker in Down Beat magazine sometime in 1983 or 84. I remember Chet speaking on equipment (remember, he had trouble hanging on to horns for reasons we all know) and he said "Conns are really nice, but they're so expensive." Maybe some Chet Baker fan on TH saved that magazine and could elaborate further. The DB feature articles back then always included a text box detailing the artist's equipment. I just remember clearly what he said about the Conn since I played a Connstellation for many years. _________________ Conn 60B Super Connstellation
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maynard-46 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:49 pm Post subject: Chet Baker, what trumpet use for The last great concert |
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Quote: | There was a feature article about Chet Baker in Down Beat magazine sometime in 1983 or 84. I remember Chet speaking on equipment (remember, he had trouble hanging on to horns for reasons we all know) and he said "Conns are really nice, but they're so expensive." At the time of the article, I think he was playing a Blessing that he had picked up. Maybe some Chet Baker fan on TH saved that magazine and could elaborate further. I just remember clearly what he said about the Conn since I have played a Connstellation for many years. |
Chet also stated that he loved the 38B BUT it was SO darn heavy!!!
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Big Daddy Veteran Member

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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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According to Ruth Young who dated Chet for 10 years from around 1973 to 1982, the Constellation 38B was his all time favorite trumpet. I've had some long conversations with Ruth, 5 hours once on the phone. She still has Chet's hand written transcript for, "As Though I had Wings" and a couple of his mutes. _________________ 2010 Getzen 3895 Custom Flugelhorn
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Regarding Chet's equipment and its role in his inimitable sound: a few years ago I was working in Holland with the Belgian bassist Jean-Louis Rassinfosse who worked a great deal with Chet in the later years.
Jean-Louis told me that for their last few tours, Chet only carried his mouthpiece in his pocket. They would call ahead to the next town, and wherever they performed, a bunch of local trumpeters would come down and bring their instruments. Chet would try a few during sound check and pick one, to borrow, for the gig.
He said the results were astounding. Every night a different horn, and every night that same amazing tone. _________________ Dmitri Matheny
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plankowner110 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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DmitriMatheny wrote: | ........Jean-Louis told me that for their last few tours, Chet only carried his mouthpiece in his pocket. They would call ahead to the next town, and wherever they performed, a bunch of local trumpeters would come down and bring their instruments. Chet would try a few during sound check and pick one, to borrow, for the gig...... |
There's a solution to airline carry-on bag restrictions! With all the pro horns sitting in TH collectors' closets, this might be viable!  _________________ Conn 60B Super Connstellation
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DmitriMatheny wrote: | Chet would try a few during sound check and pick one, to borrow, for the gig. |
Good way to lose a horn.  _________________ Jeff Helgesen
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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DmitriMatheny wrote: | Regarding Chet's equipment and its role in his inimitable sound: a few years ago I was working in Holland with the Belgian bassist Jean-Louis Rassinfosse who worked a great deal with Chet in the later years.
Jean-Louis told me that for their last few tours, Chet only carried his mouthpiece in his pocket. They would call ahead to the next town, and wherever they performed, a bunch of local trumpeters would come down and bring their instruments. Chet would try a few during sound check and pick one, to borrow, for the gig.
He said the results were astounding. Every night a different horn, and every night that same amazing tone. |
I've heard that too. I also have a pic towards the end where Chet has a Yamaha. I'm fairly certain that for the last concert it was a 25 belled large bore Bach provided by the Selmer Company (because I seem to recall the CD actually said that in the liner notes). Also the pic is clear enough you can read the "L" on the Bach's valve casing. I thought the mpc was a 5C. _________________ Dave M
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cb3 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: ok |
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Call me whatever, but what EXACTLY is meant by a "standard" bach trumpet if not the 37? What model number does that refer to? I've only had one and it was a 37. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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A.N.A.Mendez wrote: | Love that CD..... |
Absolutely! Last Great Concert is one of of my favorite CD's.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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maynard-46 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:22 pm Post subject: Chet Baker, what trumpet use for The last great concert |
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I had a conversation with Chet's son a few years ago and he told me that it was a large bore 25 bell Bach which he still has in his possession. The mouthpiece Chet ended up using in his later years was a Bach 10 3/4 CW which he still has also.
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TrumpetAce Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Just incase it hasn't been said already, I heard that he used a Large bore Strad with a 25 bell for the Last Great Concert. _________________ TA |
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Timely comments about the Connstellation. Yesterday I was listening to some Chet on YouTube and on a video, from the first couple of notes of the first tune, I could hear a clearer than usual sound coming from him. I hadn't really been paying attention to the music, but that was an immediate attention grabber. I gave a close look and it sure looked like a Conn.
Now, I can't really say that I liked that sound better than his clearly recognisable 1950s Committee sound because the difference was subtle, the Conn being a bit purer. But it was a very nice sound. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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