So, does anyone know what horns they are playing these days?
Being as tradition minded as they are, I'm curious. Obviously the horns and oboes are the traditional Viennese instrumets. What about the trumpets and trombones? There were a bunch of Thayer valves in the last video I saw.
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Sorry, don't have an answer for you, but I just found out that a Tennessee boy is a member of the Vienna trombone section. One of my children attended the TN governor's school this year and they were talking about him as a former participant. He gave a masterclass there, too.
Sorry, don't have an answer for you, but I just found out that a Tennessee boy is a member of the Vienna trombone section. One of my children attended the TN governor's school this year and they were talking about him as a former participant. He gave a masterclass there, too.
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:52 am Post subject:
When I studied there with a Wiener Phil member in the early 2000, they still played *HEAVY* gold plated lechners. However, there was some grumbling about this, and he said on more than one occasion that he wished the section could possibly play schagerls or theins, or *gasp* piston trumpets on certain french works.
In the end I think it is a good thing, it preserves the tradition and sound that is so unique to this one orchestra.
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:48 am Post subject:
The trumpet section has been playing gold plated Lechners for many years now. Trombones play on smaller bore horns than used in most orchestras. The horns play "pump valve" horns unique to this orhcestra.
The Vienna Phil is one of the few major orchestras that has maintained it's own unique "sound" and guards it's traditions well. Heck it was only a few years ago they finally let women play in the group.
Anyhow I personally love their sound. Far and away my favorite orchestra in the world symphonic and opera. _________________ Steve Shults
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:05 am Post subject:
Thanks for the replys everyone.
I too read the article on there website about their instruments. The horns are very obvious, the trumpets not so much but we've cleared that up now. As far as the trombones go, I see a few Edward's in that video as well as other videos I've seen. Is there an Edward's "Vienna Model"?
They obviously make a big deal about maintaining traditions in sound and instruments and so forth but they are not the only orchestra attached to their traditions (although they do make a bigger deal of it than other orchestras). Both Chicago and Cleveland come to mind on this side of the pond. Orchestre de Paris is a good example on the other side. _________________ Laskey/Pinc C
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:05 pm Post subject:
gringoloco wrote:
Thanks for the replys everyone.
I too read the article on there website about their instruments. The horns are very obvious, the trumpets not so much but we've cleared that up now. As far as the trombones go, I see a few Edward's in that video as well as other videos I've seen. Is there an Edward's "Vienna Model"?
They obviously make a big deal about maintaining traditions in sound and instruments and so forth but they are not the only orchestra attached to their traditions (although they do make a bigger deal of it than other orchestras). Both Chicago and Cleveland come to mind on this side of the pond. Orchestre de Paris is a good example on the other side.
Very true Chicago and Cleveland as well as Philadelphia had very distinct sounds back in the day. Nowadays they have more of an "international" sound abeit with a hint of the older sound. Likewise Orchestre de Paris was the very model of a French sounding orchestra ( nasal trumpet tone and all ) but now is much more refined and "international" sounding. _________________ Steve Shults
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:13 pm Post subject:
I'm referring to the way they sound today. I think they've done a very good job of maintaining their traditions...at least as good a job as Vienna at any rate. Vienna just makes such a bid deal about it. _________________ Laskey/Pinc C
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject:
gringoloco wrote:
I'm referring to the way they sound today. I think they've done a very good job of maintaining their traditions...at least as good a job as Vienna at any rate. Vienna just makes such a bid deal about it.
I was referring to the way they sound like today also. Sure the traditions are still there and the mystique too. What I was getting at was that there was a time when you could do a blind fold test and tell which famous orchestra it was from their sound. It really is harder to do that nowadays. Gone is the "nationalistic" sound of the European orchestras and just about any major US orchestra sounds about the same as the next. (fabulous as they are)
Vienna Phil basically sounds the same as they did 50 - 100 or so years ago. Perhaps the ensemble playing and intonation is tighter but the sonic signature is still there.
The flip side of this is that the quality of musicianship is much higher across the board with all of the major orchestras and the provincial orchestras too. Any given night you may be listening to the finest orchestra in the world. _________________ Steve Shults
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:53 am Post subject:
The last time I talked to Jeremy [Wilson] about this (not all that long ago) he said Lechners. The trombone section is a bit all over the place. He still plays his Edwards from his UT days. I'm from Middle Tennessee and played with Jeremy a lot of honor bands and such, so what I say is not second or eighth hand. Are for the principal guys, they use Yamaha and Lechner trombones, and the bass guys use either Edwards or Greenhoe-modified Conns. The tuba guys are on a bit of a journey right now, searching for the instruments they like, so it seems like they switch about every month or two. Jeremy has also used a Lechner bass trumpet prototype they've developed for the orchestra (actually several). We didn't talk about the horn section, but I know they are a mixed section.
But like with any brass player, things change and you experiment with equipment. I'm sure at some point Schagerl, as well as other makers, will slowly make it onto the scene. _________________ WAK
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:56 am Post subject:
Now that I think about it, Thomas Gansch told me his brother played Lechner in his days with the orchestra and he (Thomas) also played a Lechner for a time when he was in school in Wien. _________________ WAK
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:24 am Post subject:
I know from both Martin Lechner and Hans Gansch personally that Hans did not play Lechner while in the orchestra. Romeo Adachi, Yamaha, and some others, but he didn't like the Lechner trumpets during that time.
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:24 pm Post subject:
Hmmm. Well, that's I recalled from a conversation with Thomas. I don't doubt what you say. In the same conversation Thomas did also recount when he was young he would sneak into rehearsals before the conductor arrived and would hide under the chairs in the horn section, so his memory of what Hans played regularly then might be off. I know Thomas isn't quite the equipment nut some are, so.
A great example of second hand info vs. from the source. _________________ WAK
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:15 pm Post subject:
every video I have seen they (the trumpet section) are playing Lechners at least to my eyes. Every day I don't know yet I think tradition says they play those horns every day too. Horns no matter what maker is always "pump valve" type and t-bones I don't know enough but traditionally they use smaller bore than other orchestras. _________________ Steve Shults
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:18 pm Post subject:
Just to clarify - I only posted as a result of a comment made about Hans Gansch - not about the OP, or what the members of the orchestra use today.
The players have changed quite a bit since Hans Gansch and Josef Pomberger were the principals, and Lechner trumpets have changed too, since Martin's sons have taken over the business.
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