Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Posts: 1210 Location: Gothenburg,Sweden
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:07 am Post subject:
When Mahler wrote I don't remeber wich symphonies wich were premiered by der Wiener Philharmoniker, he had the sound of the piston valved trumpet in mind, they (Wienna) played them at the time. _________________ Principal trumpet Gothenburg Opera Orchestra
Bach LT 37 Bb (Mr. Findleys old)
Bach Mt Vernon 1957 Bb
Bach NY ML 1943 vintage Bb
Very old YTR-6335
Bach/Malone/Lechner C
Malone-Bach 229 C
H.Ganter Bb
Schagerl Wienna (older model) C
Parker Natural
When Mahler wrote I don't remeber wich symphonies wich were premiered by der Wiener Philharmoniker, he had the sound of the piston valved trumpet in mind, they (Wienna) played them at the time.
The only one of Mahler's symphonies to have been premiered by the Vienna Philharmonic was the Ninth, and that was a year after Mahler's death. Mahler actually went to great lengths to avoid premiering his symphonies in Vienna -- the Fifth was premiered in Cologne, and the Seventh in Prague -- so I don't think we should be so quick to ascribe Mahler's ideal trumpet sound to the Philharmoniker.
Joined: 08 Dec 2009 Posts: 6811 Location: Decatur, Georgia
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:31 am Post subject:
Note that we can watch LIVE and archived the Vienna Phil playing Strauss's Alpine Symphony Monday August 8 at 3pm ET, 21 hours Central European Time
I think it will be archived if you miss it.
Monday Aug. 8 at 21h Central European, 3pm ET
Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 1456 Location: New Jersey,so what!
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:34 am Post subject:
Lets not forget the oboes and tympani as well. When I played at their hall I also noticed a complete matching set of basses on a rack as well. It is one of the most glorious halls to play and or listen in.
Joined: 30 Nov 2010 Posts: 48 Location: Portland, OR
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:21 pm Post subject:
lmaraya wrote:
I remember reading somewhere that VPO used to play pistons trumpets back in the early XXth century!!!! I think it was Brass Bulletin...
In Edward Tarr's book "The Trumpet" he writes about this... "In Austria, especially in the Vienna Philharmonic, the change [from the long G or F to the short B-flat trumpet] appears to have taken place somewhat later, around 1880-1885. Interestingly, at the beginning of the twentieth century, the trumpeters of the Vienna Philharmonic did not play on the B-flat or C trumpet with rotary valves customary today, but rather on the C trumpet with piston valves by F. Besson (Paris). The beginnings of the much lauded traditional sound of the Viennese trumpeters are thus found later, probably in the thirties."
Check out this video from 1932, E. Kleiber in Berlin. Camera close up at the end reveals the trumpet player playing a Bb piston - could be a Besson. Very interesting!
http://youtu.be/PiF5glYvfcw
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 390 Location: Eureka, CA
Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2024 3:39 pm Post subject:
WAKeele wrote:
The last time I talked to Jeremy [Wilson] about this (not all that long ago) he said Lechners. The trombone section is a bit all over the place. He still plays his Edwards from his UT days. I'm from Middle Tennessee and played with Jeremy a lot of honor bands and such, so what I say is not second or eighth hand. Are for the principal guys, they use Yamaha and Lechner trombones, and the bass guys use either Edwards or Greenhoe-modified Conns. The tuba guys are on a bit of a journey right now, searching for the instruments they like, so it seems like they switch about every month or two. Jeremy has also used a Lechner bass trumpet prototype they've developed for the orchestra (actually several). We didn't talk about the horn section, but I know they are a mixed section.
But like with any brass player, things change and you experiment with equipment. I'm sure at some point Schagerl, as well as other makers, will slowly make it onto the scene.
I was researching Lechner trumpets and came across this old gem. I figured for the sake of this thread, I'd update that indeed, Wien made the switch to Schagerl, like many others have. _________________ WAK
Ace Hardware Hoseophone w/heavy-weight funnel
Bach 20C Megatone (gold plated) w/ 30 throat
Handguard once believed to be used by Arban
$10,000 Stoneline mute bought on eBay
Thanks for bringing this back! I missed a lot of the follow up posts. And thanks for the update. Interesting how quickly instrument brands wax and wane in popularity these days.
— Joe
Schagerl and the other brands made their way into the other viennese orchestras over the years. But I think the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra trumpet section is still using Lechner's almoust exclusively. At least for broadcasted concerts.
Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Posts: 1210 Location: Gothenburg,Sweden
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:32 pm Post subject:
Many of them seems to be back on Lecners... _________________ Principal trumpet Gothenburg Opera Orchestra
Bach LT 37 Bb (Mr. Findleys old)
Bach Mt Vernon 1957 Bb
Bach NY ML 1943 vintage Bb
Very old YTR-6335
Bach/Malone/Lechner C
Malone-Bach 229 C
H.Ganter Bb
Schagerl Wienna (older model) C
Parker Natural
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