The Bach Long Cornet (181)

[Brassnose]

Gordon, interesting statement. While I like my 43 trumpet very much, I don’t like the 37 at all, at least with the stock leadpipe. It is way too stuffy for me and the sound is different in a way I don’t like either.

Why is it that you have such a clear opinion about the 25 vs. 37 cornet?
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[maynard-46]

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Personally, I think OP may lack experience in playing cornets in general?

If ur speaking about me ur assumption is all wrong!!! I've been playing trumpet professionally for over 50 years and cornet for over 30. I think by now I'm pretty much aware of the differences in approach/air etc. That Bach cornet was simply a VERY bad horn.

Butch
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[GordonH]

[blownchops]

I own a rare (as far as I can tell) Bach 31 medium bore cornet. Has a 175xxx serial number but a corp. bell with a heavy stamping as it goes straight through the silver and shows the brass underneath the plating. Really cool, but finicky, horn. Varies a lot with mouthpiece. I have had best results playing it with a Wick 3 mouthpiece. Does not feel small in blow but does not respond well up high, though I really only play it with a mouthpiece the size and contour of a toilet bowl so that kinda expected.
I was playing a Getzen eterna LB (800 model?) before this horn and the strad played absolute circles around the eterna, though it could have been a dog of an eterna.
I used the horn in college to play some Clarke and Arban solos and some brass quintet literature. It worked well for that, though I was gassed as all heck the semester I played Arban's version of Venice and the end was a real struggle.
It is more pitchy than my regular strad 37 trumpet and I need to practice on it before I just take it to a performance but it has a great sound and is super responsive.
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Bach 37

[bixtone]

The thing about Bach cornets is that there can be a lot of variation. I currently have four 'long model' Bachs. A '38 with a 7 bell, New York 67 with a 111 bell, a Mt. Vernon with a 25 bell, and an early Elkhart with a 37 bell. Each one is different both in feel and sound. I've also owned a New York 37, a modern 37 and a 70's 25 and those were different too. Mouthpipes matter as well, one of my horns has a 112 pipe, the others have 106 pipes. The venturi size also differs from horn to horn. Two of my horns have lightweight brass bells (one has a star, one does not) and one has bronze valve balusters instead of nickel. Two have a side seam bell -- the Mt. Vernon and the early Elkhart, and two don't. I have measured the venturis on these horns and found each one was different.
I have at different times used each exclusively on gigs for months at a time and consider them all to be great horns. After playing my 25 for a few months, I tried the 37 and found it felt pretty stuffy. My point is that in my experience it is really difficult to speak in general terms about this model horn.
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[Crazy Finn]

[bixtone]

I know about the 67 not being a model number. Thanks!
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NY Bach
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[Crazy Finn]

Cool!
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[Brassnose]

And - tadaaa - just now there is a model 25 long cornet on German eBay. So they DO make them with all sorts of bells. TH info confirmed
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