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heavyharmonies
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Well, to avoid the "F" word, you could just call it a yellow horn...
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_Clarino
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From http://www.newyorkphilharmonic.org/music/orchestra/index.cfm?page=profile&personNum=87
"Philip Myers joined the New York Philharmonic as Principal French Hornist in January 1980. A frequent soloist with the Philharmonic, he made his solo debut during his first month with the Orchestra in the premiere of William Schuman’s Three Colloquies for French Horn and Orchestra. He last appeared as a Philharmonic soloist in March 2000 in the Hindemith Horn Concerto, under the direction of Valery Gergiev."
I knew I had seen it referred to as French Horn by Americans!
I suppose one cannot really argue with such a highly respected orchestra! 
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trickg
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 11:09 am Post subject: |
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It was probably referred to as a "French" horn due to the fact that most dim-bulbed Americans wouldn't know what they were talking about if it was simply referred to as a horn. I've caught myself in a couple of conversations where after I talked about a "horn" player (probably in reference to the wacky guy that played horn in the FUSA Band brass quintet) and getting confused looks, I've had to go back and say something like "he played "French" horn.
It's horn. Just horn. The only people that really refer to it as a French Horn are probably confused or doing it to be understood by others who are confused.
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_Clarino
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 9:35 am Post subject: |
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I'm not confused! 
I know exactly what I'm talking about! (Well sometimes, anyway!)
NE, On the same website they use the term "French Horn" so when they wrote "Horn" they were probably just being lazy! 
http://www.rpo.co.uk/concert_instrument.asp?InstrumentID=17
Plus my original link makes it 5-2 by my count. I can't be bothered looking up any more.
It doesn't really matter, I suppose, since we are all trumpeters not hornists.
"Two countries seperated by a common language."-Oscar Wilde
Call it "Horn" if you like. I will not correct you on any other thread. I choose to use the instrument's full name.
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Nonsense Eliminator
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trickg
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Sorry Clarino, I wasn't specifically calling you confused and I appologize if you took it that way.
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Cheechoo
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:37 am Post subject: |
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NE,
Very informative and your point was well taken assuming that your sample was an accurate representation of the total population, which I assume it was. I really liked the links, however. They took some work. Thanks.
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This is getting very silly.
Call them Horns, call them French Horns, no one really cares.
All the players of this instrument that I know call them horns.
Please note – I am in the UK!
It has nothing to do with which country you reside in.
Just for the record, I thought I would look it up on the online Grove Dictionary of Music & Musicians. This is a publication that is from the UK and classes itself as “the world’s premier authority on all aspects of music.”
It says under French horn “See Horn.”
The second definition it gives is from the jazz dictionary “a name frequently used for the orchestral horn.”
Just for fun I thought I would look under “horn” and see what was given as the definition. Here is what it says:
A term that refers, in its broadest sense, to a variety of wind instruments usually of the lip-reed class. A distinction often drawn between horns and trumpets is that the bore of a trumpet is mainly cylindrical, that of a horn mainly conical. In the Hornbostel-Sachs classification system, however, horns are considered to be within the family of trumpets. Horns used for signalling (and sounding perhaps only one note) have been fashioned from conches, animal horns etc., as well as metal. Horns capable of playing many notes usually consist of a conical brass (or other metal) tube in a curved, coiled or hooped shape. By virtue of its length and slender proportions the horn can be made to sound a larger number of notes in its natural harmonic series than can other brass instruments.
This article is concerned with the European orchestral horn, often referred to as the ‘french horn’, probably in recognition of its country of origin, but nowadays the adjective is normally omitted.
Please note – I am not claiming to be any sort of expert on English, either UK or USA. I have just consulted what I consider to be the finest music reference dictionary.
If you feel it necessary to continue this particular debate, I will keep posting this article until you stop.
This post was originally about the numbers of horns in an orchestra, not what they should be referred to as. If people have knowledge pertaining to this I would be glad to hear it. If not, maybe silence is the best option. |
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This has turned into the most interesting spitting match on the site. And my reply started it! I apologize to everyone for introducing such negativity.
I'll call it horn. It seems most of that instrument's players call it the horn.
I wonder if this thread has attracted the attention of horn players. If so, they must be rolling on the floor laughing their collective arses off. "Hey everyone, come look at what those egotistical, opinionated trumpeters are arguing about now!" |
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_Clarino
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Patrick, I was not offended, I was trying (unsuccessfully) to lighten the mood.
NE, you have far too much time on your hands. How long did it take you to find all those links anyway?
This is a pointless arguement and is far from my original question.
Let us agree to differ and I will lock the thread (If I can work out how).
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