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I think this is a great video for the fundementals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22k_eacohto
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Charlie does a great job. A generous man helping other trumpeters.
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Only one of his "three compressions" acually compress the air. That is, the lungs and actions of exhalation.
Tongue arch and aperture do not. |
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Although he's a very good player, I recommend skipping up to about 13 min to find something useful. From there on out it's good, except for the whole 3 compression thing. That stuff about the diaphragm was ridiculous.
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Charlie Porter and others with their misunderstood air mechanics
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Let’s dismiss Charlie because you said so.
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I actually watched all of that, and basically you just reiterated all the points you make in your posts.
It's possible that many of the supposedly scientific things that trumpet players mention aren't correct scientifically.
Does understanding all of that science actually improve one's playing? I have yet to see a post or a video from you that actually is helpful in improving one's approach rather than simply rebutting or correcting or contradicting some of this trumpet "science."
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I'm barely getting started. But I intend to provide some instructional things. See my video on pedal tones. Part 1 and 2.
Good science understand is not necessarily required to play well, bad science absolutely isn't.
Stay tuned I will tie some things together. |
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| Crazy Finn wrote: | | It's possible that many of the supposedly scientific things that trumpet players mention aren't correct scientifically. |
This is not to take away from Charlie Porter's videos, which I think are helpful. But in general, I agree that many of the so-called scientific beliefs we have about the trumpet are not correct at all.
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It is important to know that Daryl does not say that 'tongue arch' has no effect on playing. His explanations in the video are only about the source of air pressure.
Also, the internal feeling of air pressure can be very different when actually playing a trumpet, as compared to just blowing through the lips with no mouthpiece (or other external apparatus).
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I play several intstruments, and so far trumpet is the only one that requires a PHD in quantum physics to get to happen......  |
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| area51recording wrote: | | I play several intstruments, and so far trumpet is the only one that requires a PHD in quantum physics to get to happen...... |
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| WildWilly wrote: | | area51recording wrote: | | I play several intstruments, and so far trumpet is the only one that requires a PHD in quantum physics to get to happen...... |
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Yep. Lots of syllables.
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It is interesting that trumpet players are often interested in these subjects. But they are usually meant as playing advice and can't be expected to be taken literally.
Unfortunately many of these have limited knowledge of the terminology they attempt to present. To put it bluntly; they simply repeat what is heard. Then attempt to claim that they are original ideas. Please!
Bonus gullibility points if the presenter is a high-note or celebrity player.
Keep an eye on my channel for nuts-and bolts explanations of the underlying concepts, how it applies to playing, and some practice tips as well. And not to mention, some "myth-busting" also.
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Keep an eye on my channel for nuts-and bolts explanations of the underlying concepts, how it applies to playing, and some practice tips as well. |
I wait with bait on my breath.
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| The hardest part of getting back into playing trumpet in the Google and YouTube age is trying to discern what is good advice. I have watched a lot of Charlie Porter's videos, especially on embouchure, that have been extremely helpful. Arturo Sandoval, Gábor Tarkövi and Doc Severinsen (among many others) talk about how tongue position is crucial to playing higher. Doc even used the hose analogy. Whether or not "compression" is the proper term can be debated. Porter's video is solid teaching, especially what to avoid. |
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There are plenty of phrases like "energize the air," "ride your airstream," "aim your sound to the back of the room," that make, qualitatively, ZERO actual sense when you think about it.
They are merely helpful techniques of visualization, wrapped in the language of colloquial understanding. I'm not sure they even could be taken literally, if someone were so "gullible" as to try. And, if anyone is claiming to have invented these techniques, they're only the most obvious hucksters.
I DO know these phrases, and phrases like these, have helped me in the past, and I've seen them help my students in the moment. Teaching an art like trumpet playing is not all graphs and beakers. If Charlie's videos help your playing, by all means, watch.
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| lakejw wrote: | There are plenty of phrases like "energize the air," "ride your airstream," "aim your sound to the back of the room," that make, qualitatively, ZERO actual sense when you think about it.
They are merely helpful techniques of visualization, wrapped in the language of colloquial understanding. ... |
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And there's the problem.
If such phrases and explanations are intended to evoke understanding, but make "qualitatively, ZERO actual sense", then the burden of conveying the understanding rides on the skill of the teacher and the ability of the student to decipher the phrases into doable actions.
The basic fundamentals of trumpet playing ought to be describable (in an understandable manner) in a few hundred everyday words; wording that isn't dependent on a skilled teacher or a gifted student.
Yes, beyond the fundamentals (but not violating them) requires more awareness and adaptation to individual circumstances.
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