Charlie Porter on the three compressions

[jvf1095]

Who cares if he doesn't use $50 words & scientific principles to describe his methods. He shows you plainly that his description in plain everyday English results in playing the trumpet. Period, plain & simple So put a video out there to back up your sciency descriptions & put your money literally where your mouth is.

[JayKosta]

The 'problem' with incorrect or misleading 'sciency descriptions' is that someone will latch onto what they believe is 'good science' and use unhelpful techniques that they think the 'science' is recommending.

e.g. trying to use their tongue to actually 'compress air',
as opposed to its real value of assisting in lip & jaw positioning.
The tongue doesn't do any significant 'compressing', but its effect on aperture size / shape / flexibility can result in higher internal air pressure to be maintained, and to obtain the feeling of 'faster air'.
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[kalijah]

[jvf1095]

Hello Jay. I get that. These piece parts if you will (tongue, lips, jaw, etc) all work together. There isn't one that dominates. But seein is believin so to speak. When I see specific detailed instruction such as Charlie Porter's videos backed by his playing unitizing what he describes, no matter what sciency or non-sciency words he uses, that's the proof to me that someone of his caliber knows what he's talking about. Same with John Mohan. He's played lead chair in six major broadway productions! We all have opinions & that's fine. But when someone like kalijah insinuates that these guys don't know what they're talking about, & he tries to back that throwing around aerodynamic principles versus actual accomplishments as a player; tell us what he has he actually achieved? (Oh Visutti is wrong too)? Me, I'm just a comeback-hack. Prove me wrong, but I think the guy is just a frustrated person who I think is probably a terrific player. But it seems he's trying to feed his ego with scientific principles versus putting out a video like they have, providing some instruction to back up his claims with actual playing versus $50 words. Show us the money, because Visutti, Mohan & Porter have.

[abontrumpet]

[jvf1095]

Maybe so. But the guy is rude & condescending; this especially to top caliber players in the world? Come off it man. THAT'S my point! I've looked at a lot of his posts & his choice of words & attitude when posting about other players leaves a lot to be desired; & I'm not the only poster who sees that. Stop hiding behind words & give us some thing we can actually see & hear on the horn.

[JayKosta]

[abontrumpet]

[jvf1095]

That's all well & good. But don't try & "correct" these people in a rude, condescending, & smug way. That's the issue here vs a science degree. Don't shove that degree in someone's face. And yes, I am getting emotional about it because there's no reason for him to act like mr know it all because he has a degree in aerodynamics or what ever. Have a constructive conversation & state your views rather than coming off so smug putting down others shoving his scientific knowledge at them. You can state your point; but not in a... you don't know what your talking about degrading manner. I do, because I have a degree. I'm not the only one on this forum that sees him that way. It's not his knowledge, it's the way he comes across with it. Get my point?

[abontrumpet]

[jvf1095]

Yeah, ok, done with this useless thread. Let's just move on. Happy horn to all!!!!

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[abontrumpet]

[jvf1095]

Hooray abontrumpet, you got the last word it! Now go home & get your shine box!

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[abontrumpet]

[Bethmike]

TLDR - the tongue can allow the muscles of exhalation to create pressure.

I think the muscles of exhalation squeeze the lungs to force air the air out. If there is no resistance (e.g. no trumpet and the mouth is wide open) there will be very little pressure created. Yes, there needs to be SOME pressure created to cause the air to flow, but it will be very small. So, the muscles of exhalation alone do not create pressure.

For the muscles of exhalation to create pressure, there needs to be resistance near the mouth. It can be a small opening before the teeth, created by the tongue position against the ridge/roof of the mouth. It can be a small opening after the teeth, created by the embouchure (and supported by a mouthpiece), and for me, both of these. For me, the better I am at creating an "inner aperture" with the tongue, the less effort is required by my embouchure. There is also resistance after the mouth, caused by the mpc throat, backbore, horn, etc. All of these things (I think) can create resistance to allow the muscles of exhalation to create pressure.

Since playing is what is referred to as a dynamic system (i.e. the air is moving) the pressure does not have to be the same from the bottom of the lungs to the exit point of the embouchure. In fact, it will not be the same. The air speed in the middle of the oral cavity (speed is inches/sec, not cubic inches per second) will be slower than the air speed passing through the embouchure aperture.

Just my $0.02

Mike

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[jvf1095]

BRAVO HALFLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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