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trpt2honk Regular Member
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 5:04 am Post subject: Non-Bach equivalent of Vin Di Bona bore? |
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What other brands come close?
Mike _________________ Mike Berry
Columbia, SC
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AndyDavids Veteran Member
Joined: 08 Jun 2020 Posts: 177
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Isn't that a step bore type design? Pretty sure Schilke and Yamaha Shew are similar, but also have reverse lead pipes. |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 870 Location: Johnson City Tn
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Shires has the cmw.
The h.n. white King Super 20 symphony had a dual bore.
Btw it's vindabona it's name comes from a Roman camp in modern day Austria. Reason behind it was because his design was supposed to mimic the rotary horns used in the Vienna orchestras. _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger |
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Danbassin Veteran Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2013 Posts: 460 Location: Idyllwild, CA
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Vincent Bach chose the name “Vindabona” - the name of the ancient Roman fortification located in Bach’s modern-day hometown of Vienna - to harken back to the timbral qualities of rotary trumpets and other special instruments he heard in Mitteleuropa. So, in essence, an ideal way to approach this sound would be to find a vintage Heckel, a modern rotary, a Called JAZZ, or the ‘new’ Bachs that have released at least two different (65 and 72 bells with some different other attributes as I recall) Vindabona models among their new offerings.
I don’t mean for this answer to be flippant, but understanding the reference Bach was going for is important, here. While the internal tapers share nothing in the design goals, reading early promotional material from Monette finds that he and Bud Herseth and other symphony players were actively talking about a horn with the sound and response advantages of a rotary mixed with positive attributes of piston trumpets and Monette’s evolution towards Constant Pitch Center. The Martin Committee, as has been stated above, has some sound similarities with the Vindabona. In sum, you have lots of options…
-DB _________________ Daniel Bassin
Conductor/Composer/Trumpeter/Improviser/Educator
I play:
Monette - CORNETTE/PranaXLT-STC Bb/MC-35/Raja A Piccolo;
Kromat C-Piccolo; Thein G-Piccolo; Various antique horns
MPCs - Monette Unity 1-7D and DM4LD |
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JWG Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Jul 2011 Posts: 261
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Danbassin wrote: | “Vindabona” - the name of the ancient Roman fortification located in Bach’s modern-day hometown of Vienna |
Actually, the ruins of Vindabona have become tourist attractions. There exists an entrance to the underground ruins across from the Anker Uhr at the Hoher Markt, and you can also see some excavated roman ruins in front of the Hofburg gate at Michaelerplatz.
If you want to see an excavated and partially rebuilt Roman city near Vienna, go to Carnuntum.
Vincent Bach, nee Vincenz Freiherr von Schrottenbach, was actually born in Baden, near Vienna, not Vienna itself, as a subject of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and died a truly freeman in NYC, NY, USA. Uncanny coincidence, when he fled Great Britain as an enemy combatant during WW1, he escaped on the Lusitania. _________________ Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb and C with 1.5 TCC, XT, C, C-O, O, & L mouthpieces
Bach 183S (undersprung valves & straight taper pipe) with 1.5 Flip Oakes XF |
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