What cup depth is anyone playing for concert/symphonic band?

Trumpet_Mom · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:22 am Post subject:

I'm buying a Laskey 60B to use in a community concert band that I'm joining, and I was wondering what others used for this type of music. I like a fuller tone, but a have a smaller mouth, so I went with the 60B which equates to a Bach 5C/B. (I use the 60MC for jazz/commercial pieces.)

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tryingtocomeback · Veteran Member Joined: 31 Dec 2001 Posts: 177

I use the good old Bach 3C for concert band. It seems to get the right sound for me most of the time. If I need something really "bright" I use my Laskey 60*.

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Tootsall · Heavyweight Member Joined: 05 May 2002 Posts: 2952

See signature line. More open sound than I was getting with Laskey, better "bottom end" than with the Warburton 4MC/B9.

walter · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:58 am Post subject:

If you want a fuller sound, you might consider having the throat opened up to a slightly larger size. If you do so, just do it a size of two at a time. Most American manufacturers use a system of drill sizes, with a smaller number being a bigger size ... as with electrical wire. Many mouthpieces come with a #27 or #28 throat. Opening it up to a 24, 25, or 26 will produce a noticeable difference in feel and sound.

fuzzyjon79 · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:06 am Post subject:

Warburton 2M with 6 backbore.
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_PhilPicc · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:54 am Post subject:

I use a C cup on trumpet and picc and a deep V cup on cornet.
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Lawler Bb · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:17 pm Post subject:

I as well use a C cup on the big trumpets, and a deep V cup for flugelhorn.

DaveH · Heavyweight Member Joined: 20 Nov 2001 Posts: 3861

I play a standard C cup for all my playing, but do not play in any concert band at this time...

bent trumpet · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 1:03 pm Post subject:

If I have to play the first part, I grab the Curry 60s. On cornet I use the Sparx V cup.

Trumpet_Mom · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 1:04 pm Post subject:

I bought a Bach 3C but didn't like the sound, or the size or feel of the mpc. It feels too big and uncomfortable. Yet I can play just fine using the Yamaha 16C4-GP that came with the horn, which is suppose to equate to a Bach 1 1/2C in size. Go figure. But my range and rim fit is the best with the Laskey 60MC. I was going to buy a 60* for the community jazz band I was in, but Scott Laskey suggested I stay with the MC until I build up a stronger embouchure. Now that I'm switching to a community concert band, I thought a deeper cup would be better.
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trumpetmike · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 2:08 pm Post subject:

I use the same for concert band work that I do for orchestral - Warburton 1D. If it needs a slightly brighter sound I move onto a 1MD. Quite small enough for me!

Johann24 · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:46 pm Post subject:

Gold-rim Bach 5C for me. I can most of the sounds I want out of this piece: warm and mellow, more aggressive, lead.

Works for me

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riffdawg2000 · Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:41 am Post subject:

TRUMPET:
Stork 2C+ with a 25 throat on all I have right now.
Stork 2E for pops (bright) and constantly high-register stuff.

CORNET:
I just got in a Stork 3C and 5C cornet mouthpieces and a
Wick '3' (VERY deep V cup). I still have yet to try them all
out and pick on.

One thing my private teacher did tell me - when starting out on cornet, try a
choose a cornet mouthpiece which rim is 1 or 2 sizes smaller than your trumpet
mouthpiece in order to help compensate for the deeper cup. Then build up to the
larger cornet cups ...

My $.02
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Trumpet_Mom · Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:03 am Post subject:

The Laskey 60B has a #27 throat. Will opening it up really make that much of a difference?
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drunkiq · Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:41 am Post subject:

trumpet mom - go read the info on this link - it will answer your question and them some....

http://www.dallasmusic.org/gearhead/Mouthpiece%20throat%20size.html

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Trumpet_Mom · Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:27 am Post subject:

That was a very informative article. Thank you!
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Trumpet_Mom · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 6:33 am Post subject:

Here's another question - if I have the throat of the mpc opened more, will I be able to keep my lips closed more? To get the full sound that I like, I noticed that I have to open my lips more in order to get the volume of air that I want into the horn. Then is seems that my mouth is too open, that my lips are too far apart. Am I making sense here?
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HorneyMikey · Veteran Member Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 325

Trumpet_Mom, go see Scott Laskey; play for him, and ask him these questions. Scott has been making excellent mouthpieces for many years, and is one of the most knowledgeable people in the business. (I wish I lived closer to him myself)

Good luck, and don't get too bogged down in this...Remember: the end result is making beautiful music.

Mike

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pfrank · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:06 am Post subject:

Yes you are making sense. You'll have to make the experiment yourself to find out. Fortunatly Laskey makes all kinds of modifications because he knows that players have different needs as far as resistance goes.

Once the "blow" is comfortable, the resistance, you can focus on closing your apeture if that is your goal. Laskey rims are certainly good for that, and the smaller size you've switched to aids that too.

You've been focusing on cup size, but that is only one of 3 factors. The throat and backbore need to be balanced to a player as well. Maybe a 27 throat is fine for you as long as you have a bigger backbore, like a 24 or Schmidt. Maybe a bigger throat and a tighter backbore is what is good for you. Maybe that changes according to the kind of band you're in or even the size and sound reflectivity of the room.