CHET BAKER did not know scales or chords....CAN YOU BELIEVE?

Mike Sailors · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:46 am Post subject:

That makes more sense. Thanks Mike.
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delano · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:14 am Post subject: Re: baloney

Fuzzy Dunlop · Heavyweight Member Joined: 25 Jun 2011 Posts: 630

Pretty sure he was referring to Lee Morgan. Also seemed pretty clear he was responding to EBjazz (the post right before his).

Mike Sailors · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:36 am Post subject:

Lee Morgan was playing his ass off with Dizzy's band at 17. When that live record came out, lots of people confused the two.
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crzytptman · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:13 am Post subject:

Wow, you must be a lot older than you look.
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Mike Sailors · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:15 am Post subject:

delano · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:18 am Post subject:

Then it's a language problem. You see, I am only a dutchman and we love to think that we are good in English but now I have to admit that subtle things are passing me by.
I don't see anything contradictory in the posts of Eric and mcgovnor, for me they agree. And I still don't see any connection with Lee Morgan. Quite a different player though IMHO.

ENINCA · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:23 am Post subject: wrong

I can 100% unequivocally and absolutely state that every single one of you is 100% wrong about every single thing you (or anyone you associate with) has ever said or written. At least I'm pretty sure.

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djpearlman · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:35 am Post subject:

"Chords? We don't play chords, we play sound."
- Miles Davis
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djpearlman · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:52 am Post subject:

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EBjazz · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:09 pm Post subject:

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crzytptman · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:18 pm Post subject:

Cool. I'm never too old to learn - thankfully. And I look a lot younger than I am too. Unfortunately, there are days I feel a lot older . . . !
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Bill Ortiz · Heavyweight Member Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Posts: 904

Chet Baker certainly knew chords and scales-you can see from playing through transcriptions that he certainly knew chords and how they functioned, and scales that go with them.

If someone went up to him and asked him something about what he played, he might not have looked at it the same way as the person asking the question, but that doesn't mean he didn't know theory. It would be my bet that he knew more that the person asking the question. To state that he didn't is just not true :)
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PH · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:36 pm Post subject:

One of my pianist friends who worked a lot with Chet told me a story. They were rehearsing But Not for Me. There are a couple of different common sets of changes. One way is to start the tune on the I chord. Another way is to start on the II7 (actually the V of V). They were playing in F major, BTW. After they played through the tune Chet stopped the band. He went over to the piano and said, "The first chord isn't this." Then he played a super simple G7 root position, no extensions, etc. "It's this." And played a root position Fmaj7 (4 notes). He didn't know what to call it. He didn't know hip voicings. However, he did know THE SOUND.
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kehaulani · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:44 pm Post subject:

(deleted. self-evident.)
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mcgovnor · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:35 pm Post subject: chet

Chet wasn't from the theory study hard analyze Transcribe boy this is a challenge I must meet school. He was from the ears women narcotics beat generation school. And he could let it drop off his chin like spilled milk. Just like Stan. As I said enjoy the journey make your money and whatever but Chet didn't know too much and neither did Stan. They were just gifted and really understood their talent..they knew it..and believed it because it was obvious. .naturally..they were better than everyone else.[/i]