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trumpetmike
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Let's try for the first controversial cornet posting!
I like to play the solos from Petrouchka on a cornet, as they were originally written for. Every time I have talked about this with UK players they were divided between Bb cornet , Eb cornet (quite a popular choice), Bb trumpet or C trumpet.
When talking to the US players, C trumpet seemed to be the standard instrument.
Am I alone in thinking that cornets do have their place in the orchestra?
Those solos (both the quick and the slow) seem to work (for me) much better on the cornet and I definitely prefer the sound.
Is it just me? |
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trombapaul2
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Which cornet? My weapon of choice is a C cornet.
Paul |
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trumpetmike
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Good point!
I have played it in concert on a Bb (Yamaha Maestro - gorgeous instrument) and have bashed through it in rehearsal on a long model Getzen Eb.
I think I prefer it on the Bb, but probably because I am more used to playing that instrument.
I've never played a C cornet, mus t try and get one someday - if only to add to the ever growing collection! |
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trombapaul2
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There you go! A reason to go get YET ANOTHER horn. A C cornet will also make
"L'Histoire du Soldat" slightly more playable plus all those cool A cornet parts
written by Ravel, Rimsky-Korsakov, Tchaikovsky, etc.
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softcase
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| yes, when playing the earlier version of petrouchka, C cornet is the way to go. with the later revisions, i'd still remain true to stravinsky's scoring and play it on trumpet. |
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chops
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| my own trumpet teacher plays them on cornet, so thats good enuff for me |
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ZeroMan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Am I alone in thinking that cornets do have their place in the orchestra?
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No, I'm with you. I feel that when a composer indicated separate cornet and trumpet parts, each part should be performed with the modern equivalent of the indicated instrument, with care given to make each part sound different. Trumpet parts played on trumpets in any key most comfortable to the performer- after all, there is a tradition of trumpeters using instruments in a different key from the originally indicated. But please play proper cornets where indicated.
I always thought a 2+2 trumpet and cornet combination sounds effective when the players on trumpet are using trumpets in C and the cornet players are using shephard crook cornets with deep mouthpieces. There is a difference in sound that a listener can identify.
And for the record, I'm not against players using cornets in different keys to make their lives easier. If they want to play "cornet in A" parts on a C cornet, then great. If they want to play the offstage calls from Lt. Kije on a soprano cornet, then great. I just hope that when the music calls for cornets, they play it on cornets with the right mouthpiece. |
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Jim_K
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Of course there is a place for the cornet in the orchestra. It blends well with the woodwinds and also the other brass.
I really like the Eb for the Ballerina's dance. Mahler III is another obvious use for the Bb cornet. The Soldier's Tale is great on a combination of Bb and a cornets.
Using cornet for works that call for it is always a logical choice. It works well in many lyrical places. But not only that style. I once used cornet for Prokofiev V to good effect!
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School of Music
University of Central Oklahoma
Edmond, OK 73034
former cornet soloist - "The President's Own" U.S. Marine Band |
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