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ljazztrm Heavyweight Member
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Joined: 03 Dec 2001 Posts: 2681 Location: Queens and upstate, NY
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:49 am Post subject: Harrelson heavy finger buttons - opinions |
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Does anyone have any opinions on the effect of the Harrelson heavyweight finger buttons? http://www.harrelsontrumpets.com/product_p/swefb.htm My main horn, a Yamaha 6310B is nice and lightweight and I could imagine putting a little extra weight on it on the top side.. I have tried heavy bottom caps before but they don't do much for me.. I feel like the extra weighty 'feel' of the top finger buttons would be a nice thing for my playing and I wonder if anyone else has had experience with these. I do mainly jazz and lead playing. All the best, Lex _________________ Mpcs: Jim New-Manley Jazz1/Jazz2/Jazz4/Lead3. Legends MF1. Reeves 39EX/HV. Frost 39MVD. Flugel: Jim NewMF3. Jim New-Manley F1+F2. Pickett MF. Reeves HF.
Trumpets: THE LYNNZHORN!!/Stomvi Forte pocket
Flugel: Manchester Brass Pro Model
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ottoa57 Regular Member
Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Posts: 86 Location: Macomb, Mi.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:04 pm Post subject: Harrelson trim kit |
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IMHO the finger buttons are not enough to get the effect of more efficiency. I do not know which bottom caps you tried...but the Harrelson bottom caps have more dense..more mass and create more efficiency than any other brands IMHO.
I would suggest a full trim kit. get 3/4" for the most effect.
I have several sets...I've made recordings with and w/o and the recordings bare it out.
PM me we'll talk on the phone... Otto |
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gbdeamer Heavyweight Member
Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 2302
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:02 am Post subject: |
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I used heave top (and bottom) caps on My Bach 37 for a while. I loved the feel of the recessed tops/finger buttons. Probably in my head, but it FELT like I was able to move my fingers faster and more accurately.
I honestly didn't notice much of a change to the horn otherwise, but I'm planning to get heavy/recessed top caps/finger buttons for my current horn because I liked the feel so much. _________________ 1987 Bach Strad 37
2005 Bach Strad 43*
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:27 am Post subject: |
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If you like the feel/look, cool. But IMO, adding mass to a horn that was not designed with weight in those areas might have an effect on how it plays that you don't want.
Other than the cost of the parts, it is pretty harmless though, and obviously easily reversible.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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hilgenboogie Heavyweight Member
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Joined: 27 Oct 2002 Posts: 529 Location: NYC
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Lex,
Call me if you want to talk. I got them last summer after a visit to Jason's shop in Denver (I was there on a gig.) They immediately made a huge difference with my Olds Recording. All the slots felt a little closer together and easier to trill things like top space G to first ledger A (Clarke #4) and even high C to D. Everything slotted better, and they don't take away any range or power like the heavy caps I had 15 years ago on my Bach 72 did.
Jason also gave me a gap shim for my receiver (free of charge, really nice guy) that also changed the horn for the better.
Jason gave me a mini lecture on nodes and anti nodes and how adding mass to the valve cluster can really help reduce the vibration of the anti nodes. It was all very technical and scientific and way too involved for me to remember any of it.
I really like these caps, and I wouldn't be saying that if they didn't make a big difference. I wouldn't put things on my horn that looked that weird unless they really worked!
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superviking805 Veteran Member
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Joined: 17 Dec 2009 Posts: 154 Location: Santa Barbara
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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I bought a set with stone inlays purely for cosmetic reasons, I love the way the horn looks with them on. When I first installed the buttons I tried to be very sensitive to any change in the way my WT played but noticed NO apparent difference.
About a year later I found the stock lightweight buttons in the case and, on a whim, put them back on. I was surprised the stock buttons immediately felt faster. In repeated back to back tests I find the heavy buttons feel ever so slightly slower.
What does this mean to me, faster or good looking?
I don't even notice as I am too busy looking good. |
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