Lynzoil by Bach - invented by Lynn Nicholson

[babet]

There are no new formulas that are going to make your valves faster. Stop wasting time believing in this nonsense and focus on producing a nice sound on your horns

[bach_again]

[dr_trumpet]

Just a little science for those still reading:

http://www.nemc-partners.com/resources/articles/valve-oil-the-more-you-kno_54

Old data that was available from the Pro Oil folks back when they were still making it. Monette put Pro Oil Hybrid 141-A7 in his new horns, which is how I discovered it. When they had some business issues and went out, Dave switched (eventually) to Ultra Pure as Ken Saul was a client and the oil was really good. Ken now has a lighter viscosity for those who might require it.
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Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music

[Croquethed]

I guess if Europe could start a war over a dead archduke, trumpet players could start one over oil.

I always thought oil was a much more economical way to satisfy the n+1 jones than buying new horns. I'm running out of room in my case for the various potions. They all seem to work OK, and I plan to get some Monster soon because they are Connecticut guys and now this new miracle oil will soon be available. How much more fun can ya get for $5?

[CalicchioMan]

Hey...it's valve oil....you try it and like or you don't...Simple
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Yamaha 8310ZII
Yamaha 631G Flugelhorn
Mendini Superbone
Pickett Mouthpieces

[TrumpetMD]

[Moderators]

Several posts (and some of the posts responding to them) have been removed. The user responsible has been banned (again).

Users are not required to like every product in the world, but they are required to act like adults.

[LittleRusty]

[EBjazz]

What I'd like to hear is:
" This oil will work with any horn, any body fluids, any time, any place and will mix with all other oils no matter how dirty or clean your horn is."
Never hear that speil.

Eb
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Eric Bolvin
http://bolvinmusic.com/product/the-modern-jazz-trumpet-method/
www.bolvinmusic.com

[mchs3d]

[Bluesy]

About one or another oil being "better" than others, or "best", and people stating such; I cannot tell the difference between one or another oil and never could. They all lubricate the valves just fine. My valves are always free and fast whatever I use.
These aren't 18,000 RPM Formula One pistons we're lubing, just trumpet valves.

B/
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Finally Beiderbecke took out a silver cornet. He put it to his lips and blew a phrase. The sound came out like a girl saying ‘yes.’. . . . .Eddie Condon/

[Don Herman rev2]

My experience is different; I find significant variations among the relatively few oils I have tried (Al Cass Fast, Bach, Five Star, Tromba, BiNak, Blue Juice, probably few others I have forgotten). Some are faster than others, some seem to dry out during the course of a gig, some seem to almost always cause sticky valves, etc.

As has been said, body chemistry may play a big part, as well as valve construction and material. Almost anything is OK in my very old Bach; my newer horns with tighter valves are more picky.

FWIWFM, YMMV - Don

p.s. I don't get too hung up on the degrees of the folk trying out mixtures. An old quote is "Amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic." The Arc floated... And yes I am well aware it's not a great analogy but I'm tired.
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"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley

[Crazy Finn]

[Nonsense Eliminator]

[chuck in ny]

worth noting that the original issue for me back in the day was the volatile smell and feeling i was getting a small dose of petroleum with every breath. i was pretty happy when the synthetics came along with their neutral odor.
this business is mostly a non issue these days, thankfully. now it's a race for slick action and longevity. for me it's the slickness because even if the oil would last a week or two i would be compelled to oil it daily. at that point though the dose could be reduced so it cuts both ways.
this happens to be an extremely happy topic for us, former al cass customers, and no point in making this a negative thing.

[KMT]

I played a gig a few years back (probably 10 or 15 actually) and this old-timer had a bottle of whale oil that he was using. Man did that stuff smell awful, but he swore by it.

[mchs3d]

[david mickley]

I've been playing locally since 81 and I have seen and smelled some valve oils that would turn you into a guitar player. I gave a guy and old bottle (anyone remember valve oil bottles with the built in eye dropper) the stuff stunk to high heaven but it worked well. The stuff actually ate the rubber in the eye dropper and soaked my case, had to throw away my case. I am a retired journeyman machine repairman and worked in the training center of a large GM plant before I retired. We would have lubrication seminars every couple of years and there were always advances in the oils. As our machinery got better and our tolerances got better our lubrication had to improve. If oil for $500,000 and up machinery keeps improving it figures it may improve for trumpets.
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Chicago Benge 33XX
Burbank Benge 5X 59XX
Yamaha Flugel 231
assorted other horns

[RandyTX]

[Trptbenge]

There a ton of valve oils on the market and I have tried a wide variety over the years. I have used Ultrapure for some time now in my main horn but occasionally use Hetman, Five Star, Zaja or whatever is available at the time on my Cornet. Over the years I have found that there are some oils that seem to have worked better for me with certain horns and not so well with others. It doesn't happen all the time but it does happen. Blue Juice is probably the most notable example.

since oils are not going to turn you into a great player all you need is one that does the job and your valves move smoothly. Then it is time to get back to practicing.

Mike
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It's the sound that makes the difference!