Trompette en Ut?

trumpeternick · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:02 pm Post subject:

I dug up an old Concerto, Conerto in D minor for trumpet and organ by Albinoni. It's all in Italian, and the phrase "Trompette en Ut" is on the cover. I think means "trumpet in..." some key. Anyone know?

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kentfoss · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:07 pm Post subject:

It means trumpet in C... often times the key of the part is given in solfege, so do (ut) means trumpet in C, re means trumpet in D, mi means trumpet in E, etc.

Kent

trumpeternick · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:22 pm Post subject:

Yeah, now that I've looked at the organ score and tried it on my piano that makes sense.
Muchos Gracias.

hazmat · Heavyweight Member Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 669

Ut is solfegge. Originally the solfegge major scale was Ut Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Ut. This was taken from a certain song that followed that pattern. If I had that book with me at school I would actually write out the song for you but it's at home right now and I'm at school. Anyway that is a little history lesson for you. So if you ever see trumpet in Re that is trumpet in D.
I believe though I'm not certain that some european composers use the solfegge name instead of the letter name so you may also see that on modern compositions as well.

loudog · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 4:54 pm Post subject:

You are referring the piece entitle Ut Queant Laxis, by Guido d'Arezzo (c. 995-1050ad). Guido was famous for the system of changing between the 7 hexachords...by a pattern on a hand. You've probably heard of Guido's hand. He wrote this chant to teach the boys he studied the degrees of the scale. It was Ut, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La. There was no leading tone. I can post a copy of the words to the chant. Any way, each line of the chant started on the next higher pitch, with the word beginning with the syllable...for example... Ut (the first word), Resonare, Mira, Famuli, Solve, Labii.

Anyway, hope this helps!

Louie

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hazmat · Heavyweight Member Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 669

Yeah that's it. I have a short book explaining the whole hand thing. Gotta love music history.

It's also cool that you said how the music came from the scale and not the other way around. The book I have said that it was the other way around and I thought it was different words. Anyway thanks. I'm not doubting you because I have a bad memory.
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loudog · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:32 pm Post subject:

Well, it all depends really on which musicologist that you study with....that's the way I learned it!

Yahoo for music history!

Louie