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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:05 pm Post subject: Pause time |
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I finally decided to put some more structure and System into my practice so I started to use Claude Gordon systematic approach. As suggested by others I do every lesson for 2 weeks before going to the next one.
I am now on lesson 4 and my question is: Is is 'bad' not to pause in between the Sections as described? I am OK to do the whole lesson in one setting. Due to work and family live I can not split up my practice time into 2 or 3 smaller session. _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
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connicalman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Zen saying: "Less is more."
For me, that translates to saying: "Rest is more."
This advice might mean that you take twice as long to get thru the book. No problem. Getting thru the book is not the goal. Playing better is the goal. Good luck! _________________ kochaavim, csillaagkep, αστερρισμός, konnstelacji, connstellation... ...a.k.a. the 28A!
Other Conns: Victor 5A & 38A, New Wonder & 80A; 'stella 38A; 36A; 'quest 76A... |
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solo soprano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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"The hurrier I go, the behinder I get."
While practicing a particular routine, rest as much as you play. Between routines, rest long enough for the muscles to rebuild themselves, and then some. Remember too, as you get stronger you will not feel as tired. This is when you must force yourself to rest.
For the ambitious trumpet players who think that if a little is good, a lot will be better. Remember that Herbert L. Clarke said, "A drop of medicine will cure, and a spoonful will kill."
"The purpose of practicing trumpet routines is not for you to perfect it, but for it to perfect you." Bill Knevitt
Don't over do it!!! _________________ Bill Knevitt, who taught me the seven basic physical elements and the ten principles of physical trumpet playing and how to develop them.
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Bluesy Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:41 am Post subject: |
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No matter, but not zen. (I must say, your modification is very helpful!)
This is a 19th century proverbial phrase. It is first found in print in Andrea del Sarto, 1855, a poem by Robert Browning:
Who strive - you don't know how the others strive
To paint a little thing like that you smeared
Carelessly passing with your robes afloat,-
Yet do much less, so much less, Someone says,
(I know his name, no matter) - so much less!
Well, less is more, Lucrezia.
"Less is more". The phrase is often associated with the architect and furniture designer Ludwig Mies Van Der Rohe (1886-1969), one of the founders of modern architecture and a proponent of simplicity of style. _________________ Finally Beiderbecke took out a silver cornet. He put it to his lips and blew a phrase. The sound came out like a girl saying yes.. . . . .Eddie Condon/ |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 10609 Location: The land of GR and Getzen
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Pause time |
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Dieter Z wrote: | I am OK to do the whole lesson in one setting. |
I'm thinking what everyone is telling you could also be translated into -
just do one of the sections of exercises, and then play actual music. Throw a few minutes of rest in there to keep the chops fresh and if that's all you have time for that is better than just playing exercises. For a myriad of reasons. |
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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:40 am Post subject: |
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solo soprano wrote: |
"The purpose of practicing trumpet routines is not for you to perfect it, but for it to perfect you." Bill Knevitt
Don't over do it!!! |
Great point.
Need to see if I can rearrange my work schedule in the morning a little to do the first part in the morning and the rest plus music in the evening.
Been practicing on B-flat trumpet the last two weeks.
During today's rehearsal I felt that I sounded much better on my C-trumpet.
Maybe the routines are showing their first pay-offs. _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
Conn 80A
F. Besson Brevette Kanstul made
B&S Challenger II 3137 rl
Buescher 400 - 225 (WWII)
Benge 90C
Eastman 540 D/Eb
ACB Fluegelhorn
Selmer Picc
ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing |
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connicalman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Bluesy wrote: | No matter, but not zen. (I must say, your modification is very helpful!)
This is a 19th century proverbial phrase. It is first found in print in Andrea del Sarto, 1855, a poem by Robert Browning:
Who strive - you don't know how the others strive
To paint a little thing like that you smeared
Carelessly passing with your robes afloat,-
Yet do much less, so much less, Someone says,
(I know his name, no matter) - so much less!
Well, less is more, Lucrezia.
"Less is more". The phrase is often associated with the architect and furniture designer Ludwig Mies Van Der Rohe (1886-1969), one of the founders of modern architecture and a proponent of simplicity of style. |
How we strive, we at our venturis, bells ...and sometimes, belles!
"Hold on loosely, but don't let go." - .38 Special. _________________ kochaavim, csillaagkep, αστερρισμός, konnstelacji, connstellation... ...a.k.a. the 28A!
Other Conns: Victor 5A & 38A, New Wonder & 80A; 'stella 38A; 36A; 'quest 76A... |
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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I was able to change my morning routine so I can do the First part of Practicing before work, and the second part in the evening after dinner. _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
Conn 80A
F. Besson Brevette Kanstul made
B&S Challenger II 3137 rl
Buescher 400 - 225 (WWII)
Benge 90C
Eastman 540 D/Eb
ACB Fluegelhorn
Selmer Picc
ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing |
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jungledoc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose that it depends on how advanced you are as a player, but if you are more experienced, you probably take Part II (the "Up Exercise") a lot higher than a less experienced player, so you still need rest.
I'd say try to keep the 20 minutes after Part 1, and the hour after Part 2.
I usually do Part 1 in the morning before work, Part 2 at lunch, Part 3 (flexibility) when I get home from work, then other material in the evening. Of course, I have the unfair advantage of a 5-minute commute. _________________ Andy
I'll admit it. It's a TR300, but it wants to be a Strad when it grows up. |
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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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At the moment I am on lesson 4, practicing each lesson daily for 2 weeks.
Well, I usually see Part One as a 'warm up'.
On Part II I usually get to F or G above High C.
I usually try to put a 5 Min. break between Part I and II. Then the Rest in the evening, followed by practicing some music. _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
Conn 80A
F. Besson Brevette Kanstul made
B&S Challenger II 3137 rl
Buescher 400 - 225 (WWII)
Benge 90C
Eastman 540 D/Eb
ACB Fluegelhorn
Selmer Picc
ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing |
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Jeff_Purtle Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Excellent responses.
The little I can add is that you must rest to prevent fatigue. If you feel tired or lose that fresh responsive feel then that indicates you should have rested more along the way. That also translates into feeling stiff one day and needing to recognize the failure to rest enough in the previous day could have caused it.
It's also significant to note that the autobiographies of Clarke, Mendez and Dokshitzer all stress the importance of frequent short rests being an important lesson they learned later in their playing careers. _________________ Jeff Purtle
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