NEW Bach Commercial Trumpet Mouthpieces

unclewawa · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:41 am Post subject:

[i]Just rec'd my 5MV & 5S.
I am currently playing a Curry 5 * that has a waaaay too sharp inner edge.
Therefore, the first thing I noticed about the new Back is the rim. It is amazing!
2nd thing, the 5 feels too wide. Gonna try a 7 instead.
3rd thing, these are very shallow mouthpieces. The MV gave me more room, whereas the S was just too shallow. Wish that they made a one size deeper piece but keeping all of the other features intact. I believe that I could play that size yet still maintain a lead player's sound.
Will follow-up later with my thoughts on the 7MV.
Good luck to all..............

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Usedtobegood · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:01 pm Post subject:

Got my 3MV and my first impression is this mouthpiece feels huge on my chops! Comparing rims with my Corp. 3C, the MV rim is narrower and cup diameter looks and feels much larger on my face. The shank is also longer than my other Bach pieces.

It produces a big bright sound but not "harsh" like I get with traditional shallow cup style pieces. It blows even and pretty open with little resistance for me anyway.

Unfortunately I can't keep my chops out of this piece. I get cutoff around high C. Not that I'm a screamer but I have a pretty solid F. So as of today, it's not for me, will most likely be for sale soon. Someone else might like to have it.

Lastly, I was disappointed in the finish. Plating has lots of swirls in it, not the shiny polished plating you would expect. In fact I thought there were insert marks at first on the shank.

jwelders · New Member Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 6

I agree 100% with the previous post.

For comparison I have a 3S , 7S , and a 10.5S.

The 7S looks and feels wider than an artisan 7C, but with a much more comfortable rim. The wider rim on the 7S may be causing this.To me it is only slightly smaller than the 3S.

The backbore is very open... almost too open. I believe a tighter backbore would help keep my lips from collapsing so much in the cup.This may be a case of me just having to get used to the more open blow (coming from a Reeves 41).

The 10.5S seems to be closer to published Bach specs in diameter
(.625-.630). I have a fairly recent 10.5D that is much wider than the new 10.5S.

The finish does leave a bit to be desired as some swirl marks are definitely visible. Not real bad, but should not be on a new mouthpiece.

Undecided on if these are keepers until I use them on a gig.

gregplo · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:36 am Post subject:

I ordered both a 7MV and 5MV from Dillon Music, and the 7MV arrived yesterday. I haven't had a lot of time to play it yet, but initial impressions are:

1. It is quite shallow, even for a Modified V, but unlike other shallow pieces, I can actually play on this one for more than a minute, but It will take some getting used to.
2. The 7MV is very close in inside diameter to my ACB 5 and ACB 3DS mouthpieces.
3. The rim and bite are very comfortable...much more so than the Bach 7C and 5C and even 3C rims I've played.
4. I agree with others that the finish is merely OK.
5. On my Andalucia Phase II and my 1947 Olds Super, it is considerably brighter in tone than the ACB 3DS...which was expected.
6. Even though the Andalucia is a .469 bore, I don't feel that the Bach 7MV blow is too open...at least not so far.

I'm going to give it a work out at Big Band rehearsal tomorrow night and see how it really works for me, and will provide more info afterwards.
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Mark Bradley · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:08 am Post subject:

Interesting that Bach is making a new line of mouthpieces more or less to compete with Schilke and recently Schilke more or less made a new line to compete with Bach with their "Symphony Series" line. I'll probably try one of these new Bach pieces (10MV most likely) because it's always interesting to try new stuff. But for those that may not be aware, the Schilke Symphony Lead mouthpieces are very good, or at least the S5 I played for a while. Wish they had something with just a tad smaller diameter...

http://www.schilkemusic.com/products/mouthpieces/custom-series/#symphony-lead-trumpet
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Dale Proctor · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:01 am Post subject:

I was considering trying one of these, but after reading the reviews, I think I'll just stick with my Currys. You know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it...
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unclewawa · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:29 pm Post subject:

@ Mark Bradley.
Mark - not to sabotage this discussion, but on the topic of Schilke Symphonic Lead mouthpieces that you mentioned, the read on them is that they are the sizes of Schilkes 13, 14 & 15 with a shallow cup and a tight backbore. That sounds to me like a 13A4A / 14A4A / 15A4A - right? What's the difference?

Thanks.
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cheiden · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:51 pm Post subject:

I'm a little disheartened that all the commercial/lead pieces being discussed are all characterised as being similar to the Schilke xA4a. I can't even get started with those shallow pieces, too much lip intrusion, and I'm not alone.

And I've seen way too many players fall into the trap of associating lead playing with really shallow pieces, then choosing pieces that are too shallow for them, and produce a tone that is really a big compromise because they feel it gives them some amount of additional range.

I was hoping from the start of this thread that these pieces might help players like me but it sounds like that's not the case.
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Usedtobegood · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:33 pm Post subject:

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We have the commercial mouthpiece at our San Jose location. Come on down and try them.

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RandyTX · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:59 pm Post subject:

zaferis · Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:24 am Post subject:

Blech! The proverbial nickel with a hole in it.. more like the size of a Euro with a very "soft" rim - very easy to bottom out in both the 3S and 3MV. Way more extreme than I thought Bach would produce.

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groovinhigher · Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:29 am Post subject:

Lawler Bb · Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:55 am Post subject:

Dale Proctor · Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:21 am Post subject:

Usedtobegood · Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:59 pm Post subject:

[quote="groovinhigher"]

razeontherock · Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:59 pm Post subject:

So now the question needs to be asked: is the cup depth constant across 3, 5 and 7 rim sizes? Is it possible the 3 lets you bottom out more than the 5 or 7?

Mark Bradley · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:34 am Post subject:

markp · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:28 am Post subject:

I received my Bach MV 3C Commercial mouthpiece yesterday.

I was disappointed to feel how shallow it is. At first, it felt a lot like like the Bobby Shew #1. That is usually the kiss of death for me. I sound shrill and overly-bright, can play super-high for a few minutes, then it shuts down. I never got that whole "efficiency" thing that you have to have to play tiny mouthpieces.

But that didn't happen. Although I don't like the feel of such a shallow mouthpiece, something about the width or shape of the rim gave me enough to grab onto that I didn't bottom out. I played high and loud for an extended period of time with ease, great flexibility and a huge sound. It was only consideration for my wife in the other part of the house and natural fatigue that ended my session. No swollen chops or anything like that.

It does sound much brighter and piercing than I like in the middle and lower registers and at softer volumes. This makes me worry about those big band gigs where the audience complains about the band being too loud, and if I'll be able to blend and sound nice on soft tunes and section parts. But I think that has a lot to do with me being unaccustomed to a small mouthpiece. After a while, I was able to get a nicer sound.

I am cautiously-optimistic that I'll be able to use this mouthpiece when the next big-band lead or latin-band opportunity rolls around. I'm looking forward to it.

I can't help but feel this would REALLY be great if everything remained the same but the cup was little deeper. Maybe Bach will do something similar to what Yamaha did with the Shew mouthpieces. They came out with the 1.25 and 1.5 for players who wanted a little more room.