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Bill Blackwell
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 Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:53 pm Post subject: 1st Valve Slide Thumb Saddle vs. Ring |
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By the time my ~5-year horn safari ended a few years ago, I had owned literally dozens of trumpets - some with 1st valve slide thumb saddles and some with rings. By the end of it I discovered I had developed a definite preference.
I thought I'd take a poll to see how the majority of respondents felt.
Not that it matters, really; I just happen to be curious about it.
The poll will close in 2-weeks.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| What about triggers? |
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Bill Blackwell
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| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | What about triggers? |
You got me on that one!
But a trigger is a valid option - please respond with a "write-in" in this case.
Personally, I never liked triggers. They tend to make a horn play tighter due to the solder joints on the inside of the slide bowl.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure I've had a trumpet with a ring on the first slide. I've had plenty of saddles and a few triggers.
Preference? Saddle, Ring (maybe, haven't had), and then much lower - trigger. Some triggers are workable (Getzen, old Besson) and some are terrible and infuriating (Bach) - in my experience.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:27 pm Post subject: rings |
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Playing the Yamaha 8340EM - Rings all around and I love it. Very comfortable if they are sized correctly.
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | What about triggers? |
I don't really care how the first valve adjustments are made, but I do like the Bach triggers since they can be operated with the right thumb. |
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | What about triggers? |
| LittleRusty wrote: | | I don't really care how the first valve adjustments are made, but I do like the Bach triggers since they can be operated with the right thumb. |
Hah! You just mentioned one of the reasons I despise my Bach trigger! I guess we all have our own preferences... 
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| Crazy Finn wrote: | | LittleRusty wrote: | | What about triggers? |
| LittleRusty wrote: | | I don't really care how the first valve adjustments are made, but I do like the Bach triggers since they can be operated with the right thumb. |
Hah! You just mentioned one of the reasons I despise my Bach trigger! I guess we all have our own preferences... |
My son liked the right hand trigger when he was in his school because the trumpet tutor had this thing about tucking the right hand thumb against the lead pipe in between the first and second valves. |
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | My son liked the right hand trigger when he was in his school because the trumpet tutor had this thing about tucking the right hand thumb against the lead pipe in between the first and second valves. |
That's where I was taught to put it as well, from back in 5th grade. I operate rings/saddles/triggers with the left hand - so I don't like when the placement is difficult for the left thumb or fingers for tuning. I agree, the Bach trigger works much better for the right thumb (which I'll never use for that).
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I have a trigger on my Bach Bb, because I don't like the way Bach saddles look. It works fine for me with how I hold my horn; I can reach it with my left thumb or use my right thumb depending on how I'm holding my horn. As far as saddles vs ring I prefer saddles because with rings you have to hold the horn a certain way to be able to use it.
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I voted, "it doesn't matter" because it is not a factor in my liking/buying a particular instrument.
However, I do like rings, they seem to have a slighly more solid feel and you don't have to deal with the occassionally bent saddle.
I do NOT like triggers. I don't feel i have the same control over the slide and definitley don't like the extra weight, and soldier points they add.
I've had the trigger removed and replaced with a saddle on my Bach 184 Cornet - big improvement.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Trigger. Gripping is gripping, either less or more. Gripping does not work with pulling in the opposite direction for me. But if I couldn't have the trigger, then saddle.
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Trigger - as long as it's done well, as Olds and Courtois did, and as Kanstul usually does these days. But I'd have voted for WGARA if that had been an option.
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I voted it doesn't matter because I don't use the 1st slide kicker at all (my college Prof taught us to use the third for everything). But I prefer rings to saddles both for aesthetics and practical use, if I ever were to use it.
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| lgt0412 wrote: | | I voted it doesn't matter because I don't use the 1st slide kicker at all (my college Prof taught us to use the third for everything). But I prefer rings to saddles both for aesthetics and practical use, if I ever were to use it. |
What do you do for an E in the staff, or A in an F major chord?
Just curious....
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lgt0412
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| davidkoch wrote: | | lgt0412 wrote: | | I voted it doesn't matter because I don't use the 1st slide kicker at all (my college Prof taught us to use the third for everything). But I prefer rings to saddles both for aesthetics and practical use, if I ever were to use it. |
What do you do for an E in the staff, or A in an F major chord?
Just curious.... |
My E in the staff isn't out of tune and I don't find myself playing many F major chords (I improvise over alot of them though  !!)
My first lesson with my college Prof (who is a very high profile jazz trumpeter, not that that matters I guess), when I kicked out both 1st and 3rd for a C# ... he asked why I would go to all that trouble when I could just use 3rd for.everything. It worked then and has worked for me ever since. For full disclosure 99% of my playing is jazz. And many times small groups where I am the only trumpet.
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Trigger. The one on my Bach 184 is fine, operates with the left thumb, and I replaced the stiff spring with a much weaker one. Works like a charm.
What I like most about 1st valve triggers is the spring return and smooth movement. I wouldn't like one that had to be operated with the right thumb, though. Working a trigger and fingering with the same hand is very awkward.
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| Dale Proctor wrote: | | Working a trigger and fingering with the same hand is very awkward. |
This makes me feel even worse for poor french horn players. not only do they have to deal with razor thin rims, they have to operate Bb triggers and finger at the same time!
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