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TrumpetEgo
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 Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:29 pm Post subject: Strad vs Omega replacement parts |
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I love my 2002 Bach Omega, in part because it was relatively cheap on ebay and plays very well, and also due to the fact that I can basically defy Bach by owning one. I like the way the horn plays, but I feel like it could be better if I changed a few parts out.
As far as I know, Omegas were made with Strad valve assemblies, and had a 2 piece bell and a lower quality leadpipe. Considering new bells cost $400+ (USD), I would be looking into replacing the leadpipe.
My main question: Will an Omega take a Strad leadpipe?
If so, I was looking into a Bach 43/44 or a Blackburn 11/12, and would be using the trumpet for lead playing and jazz.
Thanks in advance! |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Strad vs Omega replacement parts |
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| TrumpetEgo wrote: | I love my 2002 Bach Omega, in part because it was relatively cheap on ebay and plays very well, and also due to the fact that I can basically defy Bach by owning one. I like the way the horn plays, but I feel like it could be better if I changed a few parts out.
As far as I know, Omegas were made with Strad valve assemblies, and had a 2 piece bell and a lower quality leadpipe. Considering new bells cost $400+ (USD), I would be looking into replacing the leadpipe.
My main question: Will an Omega take a Strad leadpipe?
If so, I was looking into a Bach 43/44 or a Blackburn 11/12, and would be using the trumpet for lead playing and jazz.
Thanks in advance! |
Going from memory I think you already have a 25 pipe on the Omega. Compare the tubing, internal and external, and the tuning slide dimensions for compatibility.
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If it were me, I wouldn't invest anymore money in that Omega.
Save the money from the new pipe, sell the Omega, find a good used LA Benge for around $1000. or so....Especially if as you say, you want a bright horn. |
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TrumpetEgo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Strad vs Omega replacement parts |
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| rockford wrote: | | TrumpetEgo wrote: | I love my 2002 Bach Omega, in part because it was relatively cheap on ebay and plays very well, and also due to the fact that I can basically defy Bach by owning one. I like the way the horn plays, but I feel like it could be better if I changed a few parts out.
As far as I know, Omegas were made with Strad valve assemblies, and had a 2 piece bell and a lower quality leadpipe. Considering new bells cost $400+ (USD), I would be looking into replacing the leadpipe.
My main question: Will an Omega take a Strad leadpipe?
If so, I was looking into a Bach 43/44 or a Blackburn 11/12, and would be using the trumpet for lead playing and jazz.
Thanks in advance! |
Going from memory I think you already have a 25 pipe on the Omega. Compare the tubing, internal and external, and the tuning slide dimensions for compatibility. |
Sadly I can't seem to find the leadpipe dimensions online. Do you know where I could find them? |
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TrumpetEgo
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| NYC-player wrote: | If it were me, I wouldn't invest anymore money in that Omega.
Save the money from the new pipe, sell the Omega, find a good used LA Benge for around $1000. or so....Especially if as you say, you want a bright horn. |
It's not my only horn. I have a '75 King Silver Flair that I use for other settings, but I use this horn for jazz band and marching band. I got it for $600 used, and it's a great horn that outplays some of the strads I've tried. |
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| NYC-player wrote: | If it were me, I wouldn't invest anymore money in that Omega.
Save the money from the new pipe, sell the Omega, find a good used LA Benge for around $1000. or so....Especially if as you say, you want a bright horn. |
But then you would be stuck playing a benge. |
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | But then you would be stuck playing a benge. |
Whew. What a relief!
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| Crazy Finn wrote: | | LittleRusty wrote: | | But then you would be stuck playing a benge. |
Whew. What a relief! |
+1
I have a 3X+ that I paid about $900. for, and earned tens of thousands playing scores of musicals, big band gigs, top 40 gigs, and wedding bands etc
Great horns that for whatever reason have a very reasonable price, great history, and that Benge sparkle. |
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rockford
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Strad vs Omega replacement parts |
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| TrumpetEgo wrote: | | rockford wrote: | | TrumpetEgo wrote: | I love my 2002 Bach Omega, in part because it was relatively cheap on ebay and plays very well, and also due to the fact that I can basically defy Bach by owning one. I like the way the horn plays, but I feel like it could be better if I changed a few parts out.
As far as I know, Omegas were made with Strad valve assemblies, and had a 2 piece bell and a lower quality leadpipe. Considering new bells cost $400+ (USD), I would be looking into replacing the leadpipe.
My main question: Will an Omega take a Strad leadpipe?
If so, I was looking into a Bach 43/44 or a Blackburn 11/12, and would be using the trumpet for lead playing and jazz.
Thanks in advance! |
Going from memory I think you already have a 25 pipe on the Omega. Compare the tubing, internal and external, and the tuning slide dimensions for compatibility. |
Sadly I can't seem to find the leadpipe dimensions online. Do you know where I could find them? |
I looked around and couldn't find anything. Try your Omega tuning slide in a both a standard and lightweight Strad, checking to see if the upper leg of the tuning slide fits. That'll tell you which, if either, to get.
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TrumpetEgo
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:10 am Post subject: Re: Strad vs Omega replacement parts |
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| rockford wrote: | | TrumpetEgo wrote: | | rockford wrote: | | TrumpetEgo wrote: | I love my 2002 Bach Omega, in part because it was relatively cheap on ebay and plays very well, and also due to the fact that I can basically defy Bach by owning one. I like the way the horn plays, but I feel like it could be better if I changed a few parts out.
As far as I know, Omegas were made with Strad valve assemblies, and had a 2 piece bell and a lower quality leadpipe. Considering new bells cost $400+ (USD), I would be looking into replacing the leadpipe.
My main question: Will an Omega take a Strad leadpipe?
If so, I was looking into a Bach 43/44 or a Blackburn 11/12, and would be using the trumpet for lead playing and jazz.
Thanks in advance! |
Going from memory I think you already have a 25 pipe on the Omega. Compare the tubing, internal and external, and the tuning slide dimensions for compatibility. |
Sadly I can't seem to find the leadpipe dimensions online. Do you know where I could find them? |
I looked around and couldn't find anything. Try your Omega tuning slide in a both a standard and lightweight Strad, checking to see if the upper leg of the tuning slide fits. That'll tell you which, if either, to get. |
Would old strads still be the same (70's,80's) because that's all I have access to readily.
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Instead of modding the omega, get a Bach 43 reverse leadpipe and put it on your silver flair. I put one on a customer's silver flair a few months ago and it turned into a SCREAMING lead horn.
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| A lower quality lead pipe? What would make a lead pipe lower quality? You might very well make the horn worse by changing the lead pipe. Consider the Mercedes. It comes with a 7 lead pipe which is actually bigger than a standard 25 pipe that comes on the Strad. So if you were to install a Strad lead pipe on a Mercedes, you would end up having a tighter horn. Great if that is what your aim is, but just installing another lead pipe without knowing what you are trying to achieve can end up being a waste of money. |
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| Irving wrote: | | A lower quality lead pipe? What would make a lead pipe lower quality? You might very well make the horn worse by changing the lead pipe. Consider the Mercedes. It comes with a 7 lead pipe which is actually bigger than a standard 25 pipe that comes on the Strad. So if you were to install a Strad lead pipe on a Mercedes, you would end up having a tighter horn. Great if that is what your aim is, but just installing another lead pipe without knowing what you are trying to achieve can end up being a waste of money. |
The whole project is a waste of money. |
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TrumpetEgo
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| Irving wrote: | | A lower quality lead pipe? What would make a lead pipe lower quality? You might very well make the horn worse by changing the lead pipe. Consider the Mercedes. It comes with a 7 lead pipe which is actually bigger than a standard 25 pipe that comes on the Strad. So if you were to install a Strad lead pipe on a Mercedes, you would end up having a tighter horn. Great if that is what your aim is, but just installing another lead pipe without knowing what you are trying to achieve can end up being a waste of money. |
The omega was made using cheaper, less quality tubing everywhere except for the valve assembly. I'm trying to achieve a better sounding, brighter horn. |
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TrumpetEgo
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| C.E.Divine wrote: | | Instead of modding the omega, get a Bach 43 reverse leadpipe and put it on your silver flair. I put one on a customer's silver flair a few months ago and it turned into a SCREAMING lead horn. |
I'm not going to use a mint silver flair for marching band. And I'd rather not mess with the most expensive horn I own. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Strad vs Omega replacement parts |
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| TrumpetEgo wrote: | | rockford wrote: | | TrumpetEgo wrote: | | rockford wrote: | | TrumpetEgo wrote: | I love my 2002 Bach Omega, in part because it was relatively cheap on ebay and plays very well, and also due to the fact that I can basically defy Bach by owning one. I like the way the horn plays, but I feel like it could be better if I changed a few parts out.
As far as I know, Omegas were made with Strad valve assemblies, and had a 2 piece bell and a lower quality leadpipe. Considering new bells cost $400+ (USD), I would be looking into replacing the leadpipe.
My main question: Will an Omega take a Strad leadpipe?
If so, I was looking into a Bach 43/44 or a Blackburn 11/12, and would be using the trumpet for lead playing and jazz.
Thanks in advance! |
Going from memory I think you already have a 25 pipe on the Omega. Compare the tubing, internal and external, and the tuning slide dimensions for compatibility. |
Sadly I can't seem to find the leadpipe dimensions online. Do you know where I could find them? |
I looked around and couldn't find anything. Try your Omega tuning slide in a both a standard and lightweight Strad, checking to see if the upper leg of the tuning slide fits. That'll tell you which, if either, to get. |
Would old strads still be the same (70's,80's) because that's all I have access to readily. |
Yes. There are two types of tubing; standard and lightweight. Let me know what you find out.
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I know that some Omega and Bach Strad trombone parts are interchangable, but I'm not sure about the trumpets. If you're using it for marching, I wouldn't spend any money on it, other than making sure it's in good repair.
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TrumpetEgo
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| yourbrass wrote: | I know that some Omega and Bach Strad trombone parts are interchangable, but I'm not sure about the trumpets. If you're using it for marching, I wouldn't spend any money on it, other than making sure it's in good repair.
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I forgot to clarify: I'm in a competitive marching band where I have the possibility of getting solos and where high notes and brightness is key. The horns are treated well, but they are sometimes in the elements. And it's not like getting a new leadpipe will make it any worse, just honed to what I prefer. |
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Hey, if he wants to drop a new engine in his 90's Chevy Caprice, that's up to him.
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| Crazy Finn wrote: | | Hey, if he wants to drop a new engine in his 90's Chevy Caprice, that's up to him. |
I would posit that he is adding ram air. |
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