Thanks for alerting us to these great pieces. I have the S5MS and it's superb. GREAT backbore and any sound you want from warm to cutting. And now I just wrote Jim about picking up the MS cup version you described. Plus Jim is a class act.
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:11 am Post subject:
John, by your description, I guess the 5 rim would be bigger than a Curry 3C., and the 4 rim would be about like a Curry 3C. Is that accurate? Thanks. _________________ Justin Dickson
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:44 pm Post subject: Lead Line?
Anybody tried the Lead Line mouthpieces? I have a 70's Jet-Tone Bill Chase and a Patrick PBC and they are slightly different with the Patrick being slightly smaller in diameter but a deeper undercut. Great piece! Probably get a James New version to compare. _________________ 1984 Schilke B3
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:34 pm Post subject:
jadickson wrote:
John, by your description, I guess the 5 rim would be bigger than a Curry 3C., and the 4 rim would be about like a Curry 3C. Is that accurate? Thanks.
No, the Curry 3C. and any accurate copy of Arturo's favorite MV3C (including Jim's S5M cup) are very similar in size. The Curry 3C. is very slightly shallower and the outer part of its rim is a little less rounded, but other than that they are pretty close to the same.
CG P 5A- indicates its a copy of the Kanstul CG Personal (Cup, Throat & Backbore) sized at around a Bach 5, with Arturo Sandoval's famously comfortable MT Vernon 3C rim (The A at the end)
CG S 5A - Indicates that its a copy of the Kanstul CG3 (Cup, throat, backbore) sized at around a Bach 5, with Arturo Sandoval's famously comfortable MT Vernon 3C rim (The A at the end).
The AS5 is Arturo's famous 3C with #24 throat and enlarged backbore sized at around a Bach 5.
As you can see, they all have the CG Personal Blank, which I have found just seems to produce a rich and nicely balanced sound and response on light weight trumpets.
Also, in terms of the CG mouthpieces, this was the blank of choice that Claude Gordon finally settled on for his 'personal model', and I thought it therefore only made sense to use the same blank for the CG3 copy. So that's something totally unique (The CG3 with the CGP blank).
The Arturo model was really just for kicks, but I figured I might as well keep the CG Personal blank for it too. 'In for a penny, in for a pound' type of thing.
So I have more or less three flavours here in the same size, but different cup shapes/depths.
It's too late at night where I am to play on them with anything other than a practice mute, but even there, they feel good! I'm very excited to give them a proper play test tomorrow.
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:34 am Post subject:
StupidBrassObsession wrote:
Thank you James New for my new custom pieces!
Nice collection!
OndraJ wrote:
John, do the S5M and the Horntrader rims feel the same?
Do they have the same shape/contour?
Thank you.
They feel similar but not exactly the same, as while the Horntrader rim does have the same rim contour/shape/thickness as Arturo's rim, the cup diameter of the Horntrader HT3CS is smaller than that of Arturo's MV3C. The Horntrader mouthpieces have a diameter that is even slightly smaller than a modern 3C (which itself is slightly smaller than Arturo's MV3C). In fact, the Horntrader mouthpieces seem to have a diameter that is very similar to a Reeves 43 mouthpiece diameter (which itself is slightly smaller in cup diameter than a modern 3C).
To help folks out, I'll list the following mouthpieces in descending order of cup diameter (biggest to smallest). Mouthpieces very close in size will be listed with no space between them.
Typical Mt Vernon 3C: (about the cup diameter of a modern Bach 1-1/2C but with a shallower cup and a wider rim)
Bach 1-1/2-C: (about the cup diameter of a Mt Vernon Bach 3C but with a deeper cup and a narrower rim)
Curry 3C.: Slightly smaller than a typical Mt Vernon 3C (Mark based the 3C. on a smallish MV3C)
James R. New produced copies of Arturo's favorite MV3C including the 5MS/S: Slightly smaller than a typical MV3C, and a tiny bit deeper than the Curry 3C.
Modern Bach 3C
Horntrader HT3CS Lead Mouthpiece: Slightly smaller diameter and shallower cup than a modern Bach 3C with the slightly wider rim of Arturo's favorite MV3C.
Bob Reeves 43C: Slightly smaller diameter than a modern Bach 3C with a wider rim, about the same depth as the Horntrader HT3CS, but slightly less cup volume than the Horntrader HT3CS due to the slightly greater alpha angle (the cup is a little more V-Shaped than the HT3CS or 3C).
Almost all the size and comparison info above has been confirmed by me using scans either available on the various Kanstul Comparators (the public one and several private in-company ones that have been on the internet from time to time), Jim's new Mouthpiece Profile Viewer, or scans Jim has sent me over the years. The only comparison above I do not have scans with which to confirm is my description is of the Horntrader HT3CS compared with the Bob Reeves 43C (as I don't have a scan of the HT3CS). But in every way I've measured (dime on the edge of a business card, digital micrometer, visual and tactile comparisons and playing comparisons), I think my descriptions of the similarities and differences of these two mouthpieces is also accurate.
Hope this is helpful!
Cheers,
John Mohan _________________ Trumpet Player, Clinician & Teacher
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CG P 5A- indicates its a copy of the Kanstul CG Personal (Cup, Throat & Backbore) sized at around a Bach 5, with Arturo Sandoval's famously comfortable MT Vernon 3C rim (The A at the end)
CG S 5A - Indicates that its a copy of the Kanstul CG3 (Cup, throat, backbore) sized at around a Bach 5, with Arturo Sandoval's famously comfortable MT Vernon 3C rim (The A at the end).
The AS5 is Arturo's famous 3C with #24 throat and enlarged backbore sized at around a Bach 5.
What exactly is a Bach 5 backbore? I've never heard of that before.
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:27 am Post subject: James R. New Mouthpieces Review
Here's another clip of the Nicholson Personal mouthpiece in action..... I will say it again--Jim New does awesome work! As it turns out, the Personal works well in a variety of horns, without modifications..... I like it when that happens....
The Oxford comma (or lack of ) strikes again.
he AS5 is Arturo's famous 3C with #24 throat and enlarged backbore, sized at around a Bach 5 (diameter )
Neither your first post nor your second actually included an Oxford comma. There is no comma before "and" in either version, and with only two elements in the series, there is no reason for such a comma. _________________ '75 Bach Strad 180ML/37
'79 King Silver Flair
'07 Flip Oakes Wild Thing
'42 Selmer US
'90 Yamaha YTR6450S(C)
'12 Eastman ETR-540S (D/Eb)
'10 Carol CPT-300LR pkt
'89 Yamaha YCR2330S crnt
'13 CarolBrass CFL-6200-GSS-BG flg
I've just placed an order for some tops and back bores! He's probably the fastest and most pleasant guy I've ever worked with! A class act, for sure! _________________ Van Laar OIRAM light I
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Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 9830 Location: Chicago, Illinois
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: James R. New Mouthpieces Review
lynn9544 wrote:
Here's another clip of the Nicholson Personal mouthpiece in action..... I will say it again--Jim New does awesome work! As it turns out, the Personal works well in a variety of horns, without modifications..... I like it when that happens....
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 10609 Location: The land of GR and Getzen
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: James R. New Mouthpieces Review
John Mohan wrote:
I plan to purchase a D cup version with the rim and diameter of my MV3C clone soon (this combo would be a S5D with the P backbore).
razeontherock wrote:
Now, a specific question about ID sizes. If I understand Jim's nomenclature, this mpc would have an ID of .650". As I understand it that Arturo clone MV3C has the diameter of a 1.5C, which is .665". (Which is also how things register on my calipers) That's a pretty wide discrepancy; can you verify and/or elucidate further?
John Mohan wrote:
If I had a nickel for every time I've pointed out that one cannot compare numerical measurements of different mouthpieces, especially if the measurements come from different sources...
I do that too, but everything being compared here has been made by Jim New. (Also, .665" is how Bach, Greg Black, and Bob Reeves 1.5's all measure)
Anyway he has a 2 week trial policy, with a modest 10% re-stocking fee. That made it a no-brainer for me to try a couple, both on his size 5 (.650") size. I've never even seen a stock S cup from Reeves so I'll try his S cup, W rim to see if it does help me with endurance for extended upper register demands, and I already know I do well with a #28 drill for that sort of thing. I'll also get his MS cup on his S rim with a #27 drill. His own comparator makes those 2 rims look so close to each other that switching should be no trouble, and it stands to reason that this slightly deeper cup should serve me better for all-around playing.
If I find I have no endurance and my calipers tell me this is .665", it's not that hard to go down to the next size; far less expense than driving to the nearest music store from here. I've played a number of Jim's pieces over the years and still have a few; they've all been quality work.
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Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 10609 Location: The land of GR and Getzen
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:26 pm Post subject:
I've had occasion to get some consulting with Jim, and he is purely top notch; the man is simply doing everything right! I find the sharper bite of his W rim really helps me get clearer and cleaner attacks, but does not help me in the range and endurance dep't. So we've decided on how to mix and match the S & W rims, they'll arrive back from the platers while he's on vacation, and I'll see them after that. I'm also having him do a slew of other work for me, that I've been putting off having done.
He is now "my favorite mpc maker," and IMHO it is in our community's best interest to make sure we keep him in business.
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:10 am Post subject:
Jim has some nice pieces posted for sale on eBay. _________________ 1963 Martin Committee #3
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1945 Martin Committee #2
1942 Martin HC Committee Cornet
1941 Martin IBICO Indiana
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He is now "my favourite mpc maker," and IMHO it is in our community's best interest to make sure we keep him in business.
Absolutely. His responsiveness and helpfulness is really something. Every time I emailed him about something, he replied quickly, helpfully and often with new drawings for me to consider.
If you need custom work done, I think Jim is likely quicker, friendlier and cheaper than anyone else (at least at the moment) out there, and the product is equal to any other makers. If I ever need any custom work done at all in the future, it'll be Jim without question!
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:50 pm Post subject:
Hi
I placed an order last weekend with Jim New.
I'm rather conservative, and have ordered two of the custom top of which he made me a couple whilst he was at Kanstul, which is simply a copy of the cup end of my 2005 trumpet Bach 3C. I have ordered them in the standard blank of the modular tops in his new mouthpiece line.
I have also ordered two backbores. I seriously considered ordering his S backbore, as I have one already with his gap modulator, but after Jim kindly explained the difference between his S backbore and the Kanstul B10 which I am already using, I opted to stick with a standard Bach 10 copy, as this would give me the same backbore as I am using on cornet. I have chosen to have my new backbores in the standard blank of the modular backbores in his mouthpiece line, but Jim gave me the option of having them in a Bach backbore blank.
Anyway, I'm very looking forward to my new pieces for my trumpets.
All the best
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs
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