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trumpet.sanity Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:16 pm Post subject: Getting wet |
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I've been a "dry" set up player for as long as I can remember. Always wiping my chops dry before setting up, wiping mouthpiece dry, and constantly fearing slippage.
In January I wanted to make an honest effort to play with a "wet" set up. Right a way I discovered better flexibility, getting through different registers was easier, slurs and such, also easier.
But, I also noticed endurance was not as good, I would also slip a bit and lose my seal, and my articulation seemed sloppier.
However, I persisted and now I'm at a place where a new habit has formed and I think it's an improvement. My chops feel fresher, fuller, and my sound seems richer.
Anybody else ever go from dry to wet, and have improvements? ![](images/smiles/icon_razz.gif) |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Getting wet |
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trumpet.sanity wrote: | I've been a "dry" set up player for as long as I can remember. Always wiping my chops dry before setting up, wiping mouthpiece dry, and constantly fearing slippage. |
I've never understood how people can play dry but obviously some people do. I know Al Hirt was a dry player. Out of curiosity, can you put up a pic of your lips? I want to test a theory. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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trumpet.sanity Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:01 am Post subject: |
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I'll try and post a pic. I've never had any luck on the TH posting pics. I've read the instructions, tried to use photo-bucket and the links etc...but no luck.
If your theory is my chops are loaded with scars, you're correct. I think dry players do more chop damage of the years because of friction and lack of natural lube. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Getting wet |
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Robert P wrote: | trumpet.sanity wrote: | I've been a "dry" set up player for as long as I can remember. Always wiping my chops dry before setting up, wiping mouthpiece dry, and constantly fearing slippage. |
I've never understood how people can play dry but obviously some people do. I know Al Hirt was a dry player. Out of curiosity, can you put up a pic of your lips? I want to test a theory. |
Same here, I never could play dry, maybe it also has to do with how you start as a beginner. To me dry feels stiff and inflexible.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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trumpet.sanity Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of guys are dry players, as we all know.
Ever notice how beat up their chops are? I think dry players get more "grip" but a lot of dry players chops I've seen are loaded with scars.
Just another reason I'm trying to get wet. My chops are mangled!! |
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Schilke Nate Regular Member
Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 79 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:57 pm Post subject: wet / dry |
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I am a combination. I prefer dry skin and wet lips. I really like the mouthpiece to stay in place and the red part of the lip to move freely. I am constantly drying the mouthpiece rim and skin and then licking my lips immediately before I set it in place.
I have always been confused by the description of "wet" so I'm wondering how you would describe what I do. Is that wet or dry? Either way, works for me with no damage or scaring. _________________ Yamaha 8340 EM
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dershem Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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The stronger my cops are, the more I play wet. But when I'm just ... off, dry is easier. Less flexible, less powerful, less in tune, but easier. |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Getting wet |
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Brad361 wrote: | Robert P wrote: | I've never understood how people can play dry but obviously some people do. |
Same here, I never could play dry, maybe it also has to do with how you start as a beginner. To me dry feels stiff and inflexible.
Brad |
For me, I have a fairly full upper lip and need the lubrication for the mp to work its way to the right seating spot. I theorize that people with thin lips are going to be able to function better dry in that the mp seats on the white meat area more readily. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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trumpet.sanity wrote: | I'll try and post a pic. I've never had any luck on the TH posting pics. I've read the instructions, tried to use photo-bucket and the links etc...but no luck. |
Even a link to a Google Drive file is fine. Google Drive is free and you have access to it if you have a google account. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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Schilkes22 Veteran Member
Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 203 Location: Ephrata,Pa
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:20 am Post subject: |
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I've always been and still am a "dry" player. Is there an informative link as to the differences and how to go about changing? It would be something i"d like to take a look at. Thanks.. _________________ I wish I was as good as I thought I was !!!
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brassmusician Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:26 am Post subject: |
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the wet/dry thing seems to relate a lot to the grip or purchase the lips have on the rim. Another angle to try then is changing the mouthpiece rim - gold being the most slippery to silver (less so) then tarnished silver (which I like) to very lightly sanded which I know some players do. Also a rim with a sharper, less round outer rim can provide grip for the chops. So I think if you like the grip dry lips provide you could go to a wet embouchure more easily by one of these methods. |
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