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FivePointer Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 100 Location: RIDLEY PARK,PA.
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:27 pm Post subject: Trumpet playing |
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Has anyone ever experienced any I damage from the pressure of playing the trumpet? I went to the optometrist the other day discovered some slight bleeding on the retina of one of my eyes. Before I get check to see if I have diabetes I was wondering if anybody out there had problems with their eyes just by playing the trumpet? Thanks |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8914 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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I know two players who have sustained eye damage that they attribute to playing the trumpet. In both cases it was a ruptured blood vessel that caused some loss of vision that eventually healed. One player took his doctor's advice and gave up playing. The other, having suffered a few episodes of this, continues to play at a very high level. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
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royjohn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 2272 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Yet another great reason to learn to play with as little pressure as possible. Since this is a relatively rare phenomenon, one would have to wonder if the amount of pressure was partially or completely responsible or if some folks are just predisposed to this kind of thing. _________________ royjohn
Trumpets: 1928 Holton Llewellyn Model, 1957 Holton 51LB, 2010 Custom C by Bill Jones, 2011 Custom D/Eb by Bill Jones
Flugels: 1975 Olds Superstar, 1970's Elkhardt, 1970's Getzen 4 valve
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Peter Bond Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Feb 2004 Posts: 1455 Location: Metropolitan Opera
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Trumpet playing |
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FivePointer wrote: | Has anyone ever experienced any I damage from the pressure of playing the trumpet? I went to the optometrist the other day discovered some slight bleeding on the retina of one of my eyes. Before I get check to see if I have diabetes I was wondering if anybody out there had problems with their eyes just by playing the trumpet? Thanks |
I have had 5 retinal sureries over the past two years. Most folks assumed ithe problems were trumpet related, but doctors assured me that playing was not a factor in the tears or partial detachments, nor should worry about future eye problems because of playing (age and nearsightedness were the cause).
After surgery however, I was told to avoid playing or strenuous activity for a period of time until severed blood vessels could heal properly.
That said, learning to play with as little physical effort as possible I always a good thing. |
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Belanna New Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2022 Posts: 1
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:03 am Post subject: |
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It happened to me once. In a class of mine we were doing experiment that required me to play one long note from a distance. Given the opportunity to play as loud as I possibly could, I got a little ‘overexcited’ and burst a bunch of blood vessels in both eyes. Blood vessels in the eye can burst randomly due to an increase in blood pressure such as exuberant sneezing, exercising, or, of course, playing the trumpet. Generally, playing the trumpet doesn’t exert enough pressure on your blood vessels, unless you are playing very loud or high with extreme exertion like I was. It should only be a rare, spontaneous thing so if this is happening to you regularly it is most definitely because of an underlying issue, not your trumpet playing. |
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Trumpjerele Veteran Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2019 Posts: 171 Location: Spain
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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I saw a documentary about Quincy Jones where they said he suffered a stroke from playing the trumpet. The doctors recommended him to stop playing the trumpet.
You have to admit that the man knew how to reinvent himself!!! _________________ Notice!!! Amateur musician without formal studies
Trumpet: Yamaha 8310Z
Mouthpiece: the great Yamaha11b4
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3308 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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A 'too much pressure' situation might result from using an embouchure technique that emphasizes producing extremely high 'resistance' as the way to upper register notes. That resistance could be gotten through extreme rim pressure, tightly 'clamped-shut lips', extreme tongue closure of air passage, etc. And then blowing with extreme force in an attempt to overcome the high resistance. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2416 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Trumpet playing |
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FivePointer wrote: | Has anyone ever experienced any I damage from the pressure of playing the trumpet? I went to the optometrist the other day discovered some slight bleeding on the retina of one of my eyes. Before I get check to see if I have diabetes I was wondering if anybody out there had problems with their eyes just by playing the trumpet? Thanks |
The short answer is that it's very unlikely. Most of these phenomena (including retinal detachment, retinal hemorrhage, amaurosis fugax) are often degenerative in nature, and related to hypertension, diabetes, and vascular disease. And all of them can result in a loss of vision, and require evaluation by a physician.
Belanna's reply is worth repeating. He is talking about subconjunctival hemorrhages. They can come from sneezing, coughing, heavy lifting, trumpet-playing, etc. They look serious, but are painless and harmless. And they heal spontaneously over the course of a a few weeks to a couple months.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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Jaw04 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 31 Dec 2015 Posts: 900 Location: Bay Area, California
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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I've never heard of trumpet playing causing anybody damage to their eyes. Just their ears |
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mograph Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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I'm at risk for glaucoma, mostly due to the shape of my eye. I asked the doc about brass playing elevating the eye pressure, and he said that he knew of no studies suggesting such a connection.
HOWEVER, these studies suggest (to me) that lead players might be at risk for higher intra-ocular (within the eye) pressure increases, and there's some risk for all players depending on frequency of play, and general levels of pitch.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10647731/
link _________________ 1985 Bach 37
1980 King 601 (it's bulletproof!)
1978 Couesnon flugelhorn
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