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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:45 pm    Post subject: Using a metronome? Reply with quote

What was Mr. Adam’s take on using a metronome?

I really enjoy playing through the routine, but sometimes wonder if I’m pushing the exercises enough and wonder if documenting my speeds may help? Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He never had me use a metronome in 30 years.

As far as "pushing" the routine, slower is almost always better.

Tempo will vary every day depending on your needs.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy B wrote:
He never had me use a metronome in 30 years.

As far as "pushing" the routine, slower is almost always better.

Tempo will vary every day depending on your needs.


This ^^^

We push the routine by expanding the range (when you're ready), slowing or allowing the tempos to speed up (as you are ready), varying the dynamics, adding new things to the routine, etc.

Experienced Adam students know when they (or their students) are ready to do these things. Most people don't have a sense for that. The point is to always have your mind in the sound and always have the sound float on energized air. Pushing the tempo can cause that state of mild panic that Adam always warned us against.

I wish I had a dollar for every time he told me to "Slow that thing dwon, young fella." That's the key.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you are familiar with the teachings of Mr. Adam it would be best to stick to asking questions and listening.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thread edited by the forum moderator to reflect the teachings of Mr. Adam, the purpose of this forum.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:37 am    Post subject: Re: Using a metronome? Reply with quote

Young Man with a Horn wrote:
What was Mr. Adam’s take on using a metronome?

I really enjoy playing through the routine, but sometimes wonder if I’m pushing the exercises enough and wonder if documenting my speeds may help? Thanks in advance.


I do a sort of introduction to the routine via ZOOM on Saturday's at 7 am CDT.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PH wrote:
Thread edited by the forum moderator to reflect the teachings of Mr. Adam, the purpose of this forum.

Come on Pat. When has incorporating a metronome in practice EVER been a bad idea?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trickg wrote:
PH wrote:
Thread edited by the forum moderator to reflect the teachings of Mr. Adam, the purpose of this forum.

Come on Pat. When has incorporating a metronome in practice EVER been a bad idea?


When used as described by the OP.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Focusing on timing instead of tone is rarely a good thing.

At an ITG conference long ago the question was asked of Mr. Adam how to use a metronome. He pointed to the old-style wooden pyramid metronome sitting on the piano, all closed up, and said "Like that." IIRC he did say it had its place but that was not the focus of his talk (he was describing his lead pipe routine and more importantly his philosophy of getting good sound in mind and focusing on that).
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trickg wrote:
PH wrote:
Thread edited by the forum moderator to reflect the teachings of Mr. Adam, the purpose of this forum.

Come on Pat. When has incorporating a metronome in practice EVER been a bad idea?


The question was about using it when practicing the Adam routine. This is not advised, as the metronome can create a sense of mild panic and break the feeling of flow. Adam told me it was fine to use a metronome sometimes when working on a piece of music...especially if it was already learned and near performance ready. But when we do our daily routine a metronome would be working at cross purposes.

BTW, has anyone ever noticed a problem with the sense of time you hear in Randy Brecker, Jerry Hey, Chris Botti, Liesl Whitaker...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To clarify, this is the Adam Forum. If this conversation was in the open forums I would have a different take on the role of the metronome when WORKING ON MUSIC. A giant part of my jazz improv pedagogy consists of practicing with the metronome, rather than play-alongs, drum genius, etc.

But this question was posted in the Adam Forum and specifically asks about using a metronome for the daily routine.
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