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Robert P
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 Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:31 pm Post subject: Is this a cornet mouthpiece? |
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I'm modifying the subject line to avoid adding yet another thread regarding this.
I'm not familiar with the cornet world nor Wedge mp's. Is this a cornet mp? I can't find a mp just like this on the Wedge website.
I'm not using the image viewer here because the pic is huge.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/fUYAAOSwp-RaiHOx/s-l1600.jpg
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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That might be the bottom 3rd of the Wedge design, without the heavyweight middle section. Looks too short for trumpet to me. But also odd that they list it as 1 piece when it is clearly 2 pieces.
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Robert P
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| PW-Factor wrote: | | That might be the bottom 3rd of the Wedge design, without the heavyweight middle section. |
I think you're right looking at their website. Unfortunately I don't have experience with multipart mp's. I wonder if they'll sell me just a middle part.
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This is definitely not a one-piece Wedge. Looks like it has a screw rim as well. I'm also skeptical of the lettering -- it doesn't match what is on the Wedges I've owned.
I can't find the listing. Are there more photos?
If you're interested in a Wedge try one of the plastic pieces. They're inexpensive and will tell you all you need to know about using one. |
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Yeah, definitely two pieces and a shoddy looking job, too, where the two pieces screw together. I have a Harrison 2 piece Wedge for trumpet and you have to look long and hard to even see that it is 2 pieces. That piece is definitely suspect.
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Robert P
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Sure looks like a two-piece but the guy selling it insists it doesn't come apart. I can't find one exactly like this on the Wedge site.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Hi Robert P
I cannot say for absolute certain from a photograph, but the end diameter looks too large to be a cornet a mouthpiece.
All the best
Lou
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Ask the seller. We have no way of knowing.
Another suggestion is to contact Dave Harrison to see what he thinks.
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Robert P
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| oxleyk wrote: | | Ask the seller. We have no way of knowing. |
He doesn't have the vaguest idea. He's not a player. He got some mp's that came with a trumpet he got for his daughter.
Doesn't seem unreasonable that someone could be familiar enough with cornet mp's to id one if they saw one. He sent me a pic of another one that's definitely a British style cornet mp that I was able to match up with one on the Wedge website. But I can't find any mp on their site that looks just like this one.
I'll probably contact Wedge and see if they can ID it.
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| oxleyk wrote: | | I'm also skeptical of the lettering -- it doesn't match what is on the Wedges I've owned. |
I can see the wedge locating dot - the top looks like a Wedge Chuck Findley model to me.
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| Robert P wrote: | | oxleyk wrote: | | Ask the seller. We have no way of knowing. |
He doesn't have the vaguest idea. He's not a player. He got some mp's that came with a trumpet he got for his daughter.
Doesn't seem unreasonable that someone could be familiar enough with cornet mp's to id one if they saw one.
Hi Robert P
True, but I don't believe that it is a cornet mouthpiece at all. I can't catergorically say that it isn't, as maybe the perspective of the photo is giving the wrong impression, but it looks to me that the exit diameter is that of a trumpet rather than cornet mouthpiece.
I am not remotely familiar with Wedge mouthpieces. Do you have a photo of the inside of the cup and/or know how deep it is?
I am wondering whether it could even be a flugel mouthpiece. I truly have no idea, only that from the photo, the exit diameter looks too large for a cornet mouthpiece.
All the best
Lou
He sent me a pic of another one that's definitely a British style cornet mp that I was able to match up with one on the Wedge website. But I can't find any mp on their site that looks just like this one.
I'll probably contact Wedge and see if they can ID it. |
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| Louise Finch wrote: | | True, but I don't believe that it is a cornet mouthpiece at all. I can't catergorically say that it isn't, as maybe the perspective of the photo is giving the wrong impression, but it looks to me that the exit diameter is that of a trumpet rather than cornet mouthpiece. |
I'm not familiar enough with cornets to know whether some have trumpet-style receivers the way piccs have both cornet and trumpet receivers.
My first thought was that it's missing the top of the backbore, that it's a shank with the top screwed onto it but he insists it's all one piece, that he can't get it apart. I have strong hands, I'll see what's what when it arrives.
| Quote: | | I am not remotely familiar with Wedge mouthpieces. Do you have a photo of the inside of the cup and/or know how deep it is? |
This is the only one where the cup is visible.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u3woOtPwklZqKjh4QElYzuDZVYKyXqEz/view?usp=sharing
And for grins a view from the shank end.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18biI7Lu_TFl3K-dptg9JZ93kTI3N4Uso/view?usp=sharing
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| Robert P wrote: |
I'm not familiar enough with cornets to know whether some have trumpet-style receivers the way piccs have both cornet and trumpet receivers.
Hi Robert P
No, the only way a cornet will have a trumpet receiver is an after market modification.
My first thought was that it's missing the top of the backbore, that it's a shank with the top screwed onto it but he insists it's all one piece, that he can't get it apart. I have strong hands, I'll see what's what when it arrives.
I'm confused by this thread to be honest, and why you have bought a mouthpiece when you don't know what it is. Just for interests sake, would you mind letting us know why your interest in this particular mouthpiece.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u3woOtPwklZqKjh4QElYzuDZVYKyXqEz/view?usp=sharing
To be honest, I can't really ascertain the cup depth from a straight on photo.
And for grins a view from the shank end.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18biI7Lu_TFl3K-dptg9JZ93kTI3N4Uso/view?usp=sharing
I still think that it has a trumpet shank end diameter.
All the best
Lou |
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| Louise Finch wrote: | | I'm confused by this thread to be honest, and why you have bought a mouthpiece when you don't know what it is. Just for interests sake, would you mind letting us know why your interest in this particular mouthpiece. |
I'm curious to try a wedge and from descriptions this particular Chuck Findley model seems like a middle of the road model. The price seems right given that it's gold plated and screw-on and my initial impression was it seemed I could get part of a backbore to make it complete - or at most just get a whole backbore. If it turns out not to be a trumpet mp or otherwise not as advertised I'm guaranteed to get my money back.
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| Robert P wrote: | | Louise Finch wrote: | | I'm confused by this thread to be honest, and why you have bought a mouthpiece when you don't know what it is. Just for interests sake, would you mind letting us know why your interest in this particular mouthpiece. |
I'm curious to try a wedge and from descriptions this particular Chuck Findley model seems like a middle of the road model. The price seems right given that it's gold plated and screw-on and my initial impression was it seemed I could get part of a backbore to make it complete - or at most just get a whole backbore. If it turns out not to be a trumpet mp or otherwise not as advertised I'm guaranteed to get my money back. |
You can also use Warburton backbores with Wedge tops. Used ones are fairly common.
You might ask the seller if there is another short cylindrical piece that has a threaded male end. That could be the other part of the puzzle. |
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Robert P
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| oxleyk wrote: | | You can also use Warburton backbores with Wedge tops. Used ones are fairly common. |
That's good to know - thanks for the tip!
| Quote: | | You might ask the seller if there is another short cylindrical piece that has a threaded male end. That could be the other part of the puzzle. |
I did - I even sent him screen shots of what a complete backbore looks like. What's there is how he got it. Seems odd.
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| Louise Finch wrote: | | I am wondering whether it could even be a flugel mouthpiece. I truly have no idea, only that from the photo, the exit diameter looks too large for a cornet mouthpiece. |
Lou,
Yes, I was thinking the same exact thing.
It looks like a flugel shank to me.
-Dave
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| qcm wrote: | | Louise Finch wrote: | | I am wondering whether it could even be a flugel mouthpiece. I truly have no idea, only that from the photo, the exit diameter looks too large for a cornet mouthpiece. |
Lou,
Yes, I was thinking the same exact thing.
It looks like a flugel shank to me.
-Dave |
Hi Dave
I wonder whether we will turn out to be right. The cup didn't look flugel depth, but I couldn't really tell from the straight on photo of the rim and cup.
Take care
Lou
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I'm not entirely sure what 'flugel depth' is anymore, after getting an antique Holton Herbert L. Clarke model cornet, that came with several mouthpieces.
Both of them are considerably deeper than the piece I play most of the time on my flugelhorn, which is sold as a 'deep flugel' mouthpiece.
If it fits in the cornet, and plays reasonably well in tune, it's a cornet mouthpiece. 
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Looks like a flugelhorn mouthpiece to me.
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